Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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jsmoke2215
I'm sure that's the first bullet point for the MLB Union meetingsbut it's obviously far more complex than that.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Dan said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1910787418661507215
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Season 2 No GIF by The Lonely Island
 
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RabidDawgClassic
ptgrd23 said:
If we make them employees we can have multiyear contracts that address the continuity problem for fans. The contracts can also bar/limit $NIL just like normal employees.
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I don't see a way you can legally bar or set limits on NIL. That's endorsements. LeBron James has a contract with the Lakers, but his name, image and likeness deals are with individual companies. If Pizza Hut decides he's worth $50 million, then he's woth $50 million dollars. The NBA putting a limit on that would be restraint of trade. That's what the courts have said the NCAA was doing that was illegal.
 
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ImGonnaBeILL
Sounds like the realization Illinois is a small fish in a much larger NIL pond this off-season. They aren't competitive with SEC. Not competitive with these Big East schools with no football programs.

There's a reason things have suddenly went radio silent after getting spurned on all their wing targets to date.....

[They've whiffed on Ian Jackson too FWIW]
 
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OrangeKrush1981
MC06 said:
I agree that roster stability would make for a better fan experience. But I’m not sure a cap on NIL budgets actually fixes that. It seems like the only “problem” it would fix is boosters having to pay more and more each year without any guaranty of success. And I don’t view that as a problem. I view that as the cost of doing business, and if you don’t like it you should get out of this business.
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I am puzzled about the bolded phrase: who should "get out of the business" exactly? I guess the big-money donors are the target. But maybe the reference is to the school or its non-wealthy fans.
 
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RollChief
Battle89 said:
Might be my most-disliked post I have ever read here. I write that not knowing if I will be in the majority or in the minority and not really giving a damn. Your homework example above is very apt.
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I'll accept this, I typed it all out and I was in between it being either a really interesting thought or a fully trash take. Since I had already written it all out I figured why not float it, there hadn't been much posted so far past post counters. Agree that it's a pretty trash take in retrospect.
Battle89 said:
I have zero interest is being forced to contribute to NIL with a 'personal reading license'. Some here give money to NIL already, some pay with IFund donations (not NIL I know) for seating, others buy NIL shirts. Some do nothing. All are their prerogative.
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Yeah this makes sense, I suppose the thought was what are other fan groups doing that's moving the needle, but any subscription amount from this board would be marginal compared to the real money coming in from actual donors and be more negative to the board than positive to the teams.
Battle89 said:
You'd drive away many of the posters who make this site great. Now if you want to make an alternative argument that Dan should be compensated for his efforts, above whatever ad revenue he earns, I'm listening. I still don't want it, because I think it would fundamentally change this place, but it's what I do to read Robert.
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Honestly if there was a Wikipedia-esque button to send some donation to the board itself, I would probably throw a bit at it for the mod's efforts. This board is pretty much the only thing I look at now in my spare time, there is a lot of thought provoking ideas and info and a lot of beauty in the shared interest in Illini without outside influence that you have through other forums so I have an appreciation for what this board currently is. Shout out to the mods, I pray I am never banned for trash takes.
 
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Battle89
Snoopy said:
Agree

~900 billionaires in the US. $10 million is only 1% of a billion. Even if one's billions are just parked in T-Bills getting 3%, $10 million per year in NIL isn't even eating into their net worth. What is more likely driving this market is ADs or Coaches that can round up 10 alumni or so whose wealth sums to a level where they are spending sub 1% of their net worth on their college basketball hobby every year.
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the juiceman cometh
ptgrd23 said:
If we make them employees we can have multiyear contracts that address the continuity problem for fans. The contracts can also bar/limit $NIL just like normal employees.
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Agree with the first part but not sure why you would bar/limit outside endorsements/NIL. Even if you contractually can (which yeah you probably could by agreement, assuming you could find players who would agree to that), you'd put your program at a severe disadvantage recruiting vs programs that allow their players to sign endorsements without restriction.
 
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NarrowJ
MC06 said:
It’s the same with the Dodgers. People aren’t upset that it’s unfair. They’re upset that their team doesn’t have an owner willing to do the same thing.
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I'm upset there is no salary cap

EDIT: Speaking MLB strictly here, have no idea what to do with NCAA's mess
 
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HereSoIDontGetFined
RollChief said:
I’m writing here today on what seems like another slow news day of disputing whether or not now is the time to panic about the Illini’s basketball season or college basketball on the whole being ruined with an idea – I’ll preface this proposal with the more I think about it, the more I feel like the kid that raises his hand right before class ends and asks about the homework that is due today which the teacher forgot to mention, but hear me out here:

While temporarily escaping into sports fandom today, like many others on this board do midday on a Friday, I was reading KenPom’s latest blog post. This post was about the results of the H.U.M.A.N poll, which KP polls users to establish preseason rankings picked purely by fans, by giving users the option to pick 50 head-to-head matchups for who is going to be the higher-ranked team by the end of the year. From this, a preseason list is established. It’s essentially a thought experiment and doesn’t feed into data on his actual algorithm.

In his blog post, he posted a statement from this year’s best picker (Champion Ball-Knower of the Year), who is a UCONN fan (you can read the full post with the statement here). The thing that caught my eye is the guy mentioned “I'm a contributing writer to Storrs Central, a media website that spun off of the Bleeding Blue For Good NIL collective. 100% of subscription profit from the site pays NIL deals to UConn athletes (staff is paid by website sponsors/ads).”

I know the Storrs Central isn’t a message board, but this caught my eye because I tried to look at Duke’s equivalent of Illinois Loyalty yesterday and realized that you have to pay to use their site. It got me thinking that what if this board implemented a membership fee to view/contribute where proceeds went NIL pot? If other major programs have enough of a following, don’t we? I mentioned this a few weeks ago, but Illinois is the 4th most tracked team on KenPom out of 365 D-1 schools, so there is clearly a pretty large fan base both using this site and other sites like KenPom.

Just food for thought, but if @Dan decided to implement a paywall for this site where the subscription fees went to pay for the betterment of our programs, I would not complain about this. Maybe a hot take but if we’re a championship caliber message board then maybe we should pay like one.

I know I have a tendency to be a bit of a KenPom glazer on here but a blog he wrote earlier this week about the (positive) effects of NIL and the transfer portal on college basketball provided some good thoughts on arguments had on here every day, so is definitely worth a read: NIL and the transfer portal has made college hoops better than ever.
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Props for thinking outside the box, at any rate.
 
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Battle89
RollChief said:
I'll accept this, I typed it all out and I was in between it being either a really interesting thought or a fully trash take. Since I had already written it all out I figured why not float it, there hadn't been much posted so far past post counters. Agree that it's a pretty trash take in retrospect.

Yeah this makes sense, I suppose the thought was what are other fan groups doing that's moving the needle, but any subscription amount from this board would be marginal compared to the real money coming in from actual donors and be more negative to the board than positive to the teams.

Honestly if there was a Wikipedia-esque button to send some donation to the board itself, I would probably throw a bit at it for the mod's efforts. This board is pretty much the only thing I look at now in my spare time, there is a lot of thought provoking ideas and info and a lot of beauty in the shared interest in Illini without outside influence that you have through other forums so I have an appreciation for what this board currently is. Shout out to the mods, I pray I am never banned for trash takes.
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Fair enough and a bit strong on my part...my mind was still racing with thoughts (my previous post about missing the econ discussion) and your post came right after. And I've been in the same position many times with my own stuff LOL. All good.
 
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MC06
OrangeKrush1981 said:
I am puzzled about the bolded phrase: who should "get out of the business" exactly? I guess the big-money donors are the target. But maybe the reference is to the school or its non-wealthy fans.
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I was mostly talking about the donors. But the same applies to non-donor fans. I’m less interested in college basketball due to the roster churn. But instead of complaining about 20 year old kids getting paid for their labor that generates hundreds of millions in revenue, I just invest less of my time and emotion in college basketball. There are plenty of other things in this world that I can turn to for joy.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
MC06 said:
I was mostly talking about the donors. But the same applies to non-donor fans. I’m less interested in college basketball due to the roster churn. But instead of complaining about 20 year old kids getting paid for their labor that generates hundreds of millions in revenue, I just invest less of my time and emotion in college basketball. There are plenty of other things in this world that I can turn to for joy.
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Interesting. A reductio absurdum, then, might be that fans in general be advised to turn their interests away from college basketball and towards something else, leaving the college basketball programs as sport/financial entertainment for the wealthy donor class.

Though that won't be fully realized, I imagine, it does seem like we are taking steps down that path.
 
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HereSoIDontGetFined
Snoopy said:
Agree

~900 billionaires in the US. $10 million is only 1% of a billion. Even if one's billions are just parked in T-Bills getting 3%, $10 million per year in NIL isn't even eating into their net worth. What is more likely driving this market is ADs or Coaches that can round up 10 alumni or so whose wealth sums to a level where they are spending sub 1% of their net worth on their college basketball hobby every year.

I've worked directly for a billionaire on a non-economically constrained project. In some respects it would have been easier to set expectations if there were real financial constraints.

So what I think cooks the current NIL game in the longer term is that there is only one national championship available per year. People spending that much expect big game wins, even if it isn't a huge sacrifice on their part to keep up the spending. Top 14 on some efficiency metric their latest trophy wife has never heard of, won't cut it if the big wins don't start come after a few years of big spending.
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Correct. There isn't enough to go around long term. So what will happen is what is kind of already happening. Small schools becoming feeders for big schools. Which eventually gives way to major and minor leagues.
 
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