Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#101      
Yes they can be viewed on the same page as his 38% FG and 34% 3FG over 4 underwhelming college seasons.

Offer him a limited minutes bench role. If injuries strike, he can get more time. There's many hundreds of players in the portal as good or better than Adam Miller. I doubt anyone cares if his role is this past season's DGL....
 
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#102      
(1) There are wild takes on here about Miller being so trash that's he's effectively worthless, but...
(2) There are no responses from folks who want Miller to justify four years of underwhelming (at best) play. Responding with gifs and "lol" to people bringing up real stats about his shooting and negative offensive/defensive splits doesn't wish away his playing history.


He's a flawed player with a long track record and three different programs. He's only been a positive offensive/defensive split player when he played with two All-Americans. This is not a person you spend real money to acquire.
Out of curiosity, what statistic are you referring to with this negative offensive/defensive splits stuff? I've seen Box Plus Minus referred to this way, and he had an OBPM of 1.5 last season and a DBPM of 2.5. So I assume you are referring to a different stat, just not sure what.
 
#103      
Hypothetical comparison, but last year’s lineup to this year’s most mocked lineup going off likely production:

Year 1 Bos < Year 2 Bos
KJ > Sarr
Will > Ace
Humrichous/Morez/White = Mirkovic
Year 1 Tomi < Year 2 Tomi

Likely we’re getting worse at 2 spots (KJ and Will > Sarr and Ace), better at 2 due to assuming Bos and Tomi will be better in year 2, and likely similar production at the 4. The only thing really better about this team is the bench. If last year’s team wasn’t, I don’t see that being top 25 or a sweet 16 team
 
#104      
Context is kind of important. His higher shooting percentage last season came with a reduction in shots. It's pretty clear that at LSU and his first season at ASU he was being asked to be "the guy," and as a result was taking a lot of contested, low quality shots. He led his team in 3pt attempts both of those seasons (and by a considerable margin at LSU). Last season he was given the freedom of not being the primary option, or even secondary, scoring option, and he flourished. He was 4th in 3pt attempts, despite having the best percentage on the team. It's pretty clear his role with us would be a lot more like his role last season, rather than the prior two seasons.
Juice...are you really trying to confuse us with facts, logic, and sound, critical thinking? How dare you!!! ;)
 
#107      
The root of all evil. Hate that this is where we're at! When it becomes about getting the most money one loses sight (or at least takes their eye off the ball) of other more important things - loyalty, character, being a good teammate, etc. I know many are going to say....get what you can while you can, but I simply disagree.
I'm not against "a little money" for the players. A free education among other freebees is pretty good, then a little money on top makes for a heck of a college experience. Huge NIL figures and the portal are ruining the game.
Here's a thought. How about reserving the NIL money to give to the players after they graduate? For example, if you graduate from our university if you play a minimum number of years at our university we will give you $50k (doesn't have to be this amount - could be less could be more) to kick start your career. And for the record, $50k and no student loan debt would be awesome! I was making $20k/year, granted back in 2004, after graduating from the U of I. I worked my way up through the years and now live a good/financially comfortable life and that was starting from scratch and not making much money out of the gates the first few years. If you had given me $50k to start my career that would've been a game changer as far as buying a vehicle or a downpayment on your first home. Just an idea I haven't even thought through much yet, but the best players will go on to play overseas or in the NBA and will make their money. For those who aren't at that level if they stay and get their free degree they'll get a "bonus" upon graduation. This way we aren't making it all about money w/kids transfering left and right for the biggest bag. We get back to loyalty, continuity, 3-4 year players coming back year after year and quality education.
By the way, I hear 18-23 year olds are REALLY good with a lot of money!!! :cautious:
This way we are focusing on a good education and getting young people out into the workforce with a nice head start. I'm still here to cheer for my team, but I absolutely hate all this NIL and portal stuff. OK, I digress and will let people pick apart my idea (as I said, I haven't thought through it much, it just came to me so I threw it out there.) ILL
This probably is the wrong thread for this discussion, but how can they hear unless someone tells them?

I loved this post I-L-L guy. Thank you. Somebody needed to say it out loud. I'm glad to see there's an adult in the room willing to discuss real world issues.

Your opening words say it all, but is not complete. I know you know, but for the others, I'll complete it; "for the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil." Welcome to America in the post America of our youth (most of us). Our generation was far from perfect, but I'll only say; this will not turn out well as long as greed for better mercenaries, and lust for national championships continue to be our guiding light.

May God bless America and may His light shine on the University of the Fighting Illini. - INI -
 
#108      
Did you see his stats last year? He was not on a very good team but a 43% 3 pt shooter doesn't just grow out of a tree. He was a very good 3 pt specialist and I be that's the role we are giving to him.
Is a guy that shoots 4 times a game worth close to a million dollars to come in as a shooting specialist?
 
#111      
Hypothetical comparison, but last year’s lineup to this year’s most mocked lineup going off likely production:

Year 1 Bos < Year 2 Bos
KJ > Sarr
Will > Ace
Humrichous/Morez/White = Mirkovic
Year 1 Tomi < Year 2 Tomi

Likely we’re getting worse at 2 spots (KJ and Will > Sarr and Ace), better at 2 due to assuming Bos and Tomi will be better in year 2, and likely similar production at the 4. The only thing really better about this team is the bench. If last year’s team wasn’t, I don’t see that being top 25 or a sweet 16 team
I get what you’re saying. I’ll hold on my thoughts and expectations for next season’s team until I see the final pieces (players & coaches) come together. I’m optimistic they’ll be stronger. Maybe not as naturally talented…

However, they were Top 25 in terms of the 3 most important rankings as far as I’m concerned last year:

* NET
* Kenpom
* NCAA Tournament seeding

I’ll take those rankings above any others.

AP/Coaches, if that’s the priority then sure. But, I do consider last years squad a Top 25 team.

Go Illini
 
#113      
I have NEVER seen a shot diet like this.

Over 88% (EIGHTY EIGHT PERCENT) of his shots were 3s last year. 238 3PA out of 270 total FGA.

And he hit them at a fantastic clip, especially for such a high volume - 100 for 238 (40.7%). I want him

Add in the 93% FT% and man that’s super enticing
 
#114      
Is a guy that shoots 4 times a game worth close to a million dollars to come in as a shooting specialist?

Who said close to a million? Honestly asking if that's an assumption being made or if that is the number he asked for

I don't think he's just a shooting specialist, he is an experienced 5th year player, very good defender, definitely brings a whole lot more (jmo)
 
#116      
Hypothetical comparison, but last year’s lineup to this year’s most mocked lineup going off likely production:

Year 1 Bos < Year 2 Bos
KJ > Sarr
Will > Ace
Humrichous/Morez/White = Mirkovic
Year 1 Tomi < Year 2 Tomi

Likely we’re getting worse at 2 spots (KJ and Will > Sarr and Ace), better at 2 due to assuming Bos and Tomi will be better in year 2, and likely similar production at the 4. The only thing really better about this team is the bench. If last year’s team wasn’t, I don’t see that being top 25 or a sweet 16 team
Pretty sure the expectation is if Ace comes he'll be coming off the bench... basically replacing DGL's role. Which would be a significant upgrade from last yr. If I'm looking at our top 9 from last year to whats on the table for this year I actually see this:

Year 1 bos < Year 2 bos
KJ > TP target
Riley >= Sarr
Morez = Mirk
Year 1 T. Ivisic < Year 2 T. Ivisic

White < Ty
DGL < Ace
Hum < Big Z
Year 1 Davis < year 2 Davis

I think this is a very real possibility and overall this year we're looking at a team that may not have top end NBA talent, but will be much better for the college game. Having your best players be experienced and older definitely makes us a better team imo. We also project to be a much deeper team which MSU showed us it's value last year.

This is not to say this will happen...I'm just saying this is a very real possibility and IMO is what the staff's game plan is. Which is why I hate all the doom and gloom takes and the staff doesn't know what's it's doing takes.

Granted this could all go south too...but it's still remains to be seen.
 
#117      
I have NEVER seen a shot diet like this.

Over 88% (EIGHTY EIGHT PERCENT) of his shots were 3s last year. 238 3PA out of 270 total FGA.

And he hit them at a fantastic clip, especially for such a high volume - 100 for 238 (40.7%). I want him

Add in the 93% FT% and man that’s super enticing

I wanted him last year … Got told by many on this board he wasn’t good enough and Hum Brick House was so much better …

Imagine if we had him instead of Hum Brick House … All we needed was a guy to shoot and make 3s … That’s what Monsanto does …
 
#120      
I wanted him last year … Got told by many on this board he wasn’t good enough and Hum Brick House was so much better …

Imagine if we had him instead of Hum Brick House … All we needed was a guy to shoot and make 3s … That’s what Monsanto does …
Yeah I remember this guy. Nice to see he had a healthy season. Does the staff have legit interest? (I certainly do)
 
#121      
Yeah I remember this guy. Nice to see he had a healthy season. Does the staff have legit interest? (I certainly do)

We recruited him HEAVY out of HS … For a role player I’d have legit interest …

Maybe this year Brad can actually listen to me and get the real shooter instead of bringing Hum Brick House back for another $500k+ payday …
 
#124      
How on earth does this guy have eligibility? 😂
I have no strong guess but my best would be that he only played 11 games a couple season ago. He didn’t play until January though but was out again by end of February. Not sure how NCAA would view that. @Indy Illini Fan do you know why he didn’t play much that year? He had really good splits and decent numbers in 22-23 but then hardly played 23-24. Figure Wake really could have used him
 
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