Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Brosky
Fr8trn16 said:
I'm all for players who WANT to be here and that believe in themselves, regardless if others do! I'm all for players who are willing to do the hard work and compete! Proving the doubters wrong is a powerful motivation. I like what I see in this kid. He has the competitiveness of a champion to me, from what I'm seeing. I-L-L
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I agree with all this.
 
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Goillinikobd
hoopsfan47 said:
Not close to being true. Tuition at UIUC annually is far more than 14-18k and is likely more than that at 97% of Div.1 schools. Tuition alone for out of state students, which most of the hoops players are indeed, is 37,000. Add in room and board and you are over 50,000 or 200,000 per year. Good private schools, such as Ivy, Stanford, Notre Dame, Rice, etc. are about $10,000 more per year. There are some colleges where a student can expect costs to exceed $100,000 annually.
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I think you two are talking about two different versions of the concept of “cost”.
The marginal cost of a scholarship is minimal since most of the items are in place, as noted.
Also remember that adding a scholarship athlete does not take up a student slot for a non scholarship strident so the university is not losing the OPPORTUNITY to realize 100k of income from a “regular” student.

If and when a scholarship slot DISPLACES a regular student slot, it becomes a zero sum game and the scholarship actually “costs” the school 100k
 
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hodgesonfire
NarrowJ said:
That’s how much you pay for it. How much does it cost the university though? That was the question.
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Low overall effective cost but lost income to the school.

The question should be is it worth the lost income? Does the university, community and alumni benefit from athletic success of 300 scholarship students?

I would say yes. The conversation this site alone provides is proof of that.

Sports unites us behind a common banner. They provide jobs, a reason to travel and something to look forward to see. They keep donors interested in their University. And in some cases provide an education and family to a student athlete who may have not had that opportunity otherwise.

In my opinion the benefit far exceeds the lost income from 300 students. And this benefit is amplified when the sports programs are successful.
 
#357      
hodgesonfire
We could always start a “what should our mascot be” group. It would definitely cause some freaking out.
 
#358      
IlliniReb
1. for out of state students, the yearly cost of attendance is around 58k

2. the value for all of the services the athletes get is significantly higher than the cost of attendance. they get clothing/swag, individualized tutoring, the transportation to their games, maybe they go on an international trip, highly individualized tutoring, housing (not in a cinder block fifteen by fifteen room with a common bathroom down the hallway), nutrition guidance and meals, and finally tuition.

I don't think that adds up to several hundred thousand dollars, but it is well into the six figures. 300-400k all in/4 years
 
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illinoisgrad1990
IlliniReb said:
1. for out of state students, the yearly cost of attendance is around 58k

2. the value for all of the services the athletes get is significantly higher than the cost of attendance. they get clothing/swag, individualized tutoring, the transportation to their games, maybe they go on an international trip, highly individualized tutoring, housing (not in a cinder block fifteen by fifteen room with a common bathroom down the hallway), nutrition guidance and meals, and finally tuition.

I don't think that adds up to several hundred thousand dollars, but it is well into the six figures. 300-400k all in/4 years
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There are also many, many supporting services that go into a student being successful at a university. Adding a student to an existing class if a seat is available might seem free, but the instructor has more to grade and more student contacts to answer (and I imagine your typical athlete's schedules generate a lot of contacts - won't be at class, can I take that test later, etc etc). I work in IT at the university up the road and can tell you that a ton of work goes into all of the technology a student uses every day; add to that counseling, health services, advising, registration, housing, dining, grounds, and many more departments' worth of staff that work every day to support students at a university. Yes, it's marginal in an economy of scale sort of way to support one more student, but there's a lot to it and is a cost that could be calculated.
 
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the juiceman cometh
IlliniReb said:
1. for out of state students, the yearly cost of attendance is around 58k

2. the value for all of the services the athletes get is significantly higher than the cost of attendance. they get clothing/swag, individualized tutoring, the transportation to their games, maybe they go on an international trip, highly individualized tutoring, housing (not in a cinder block fifteen by fifteen room with a common bathroom down the hallway), nutrition guidance and meals, and finally tuition.

I don't think that adds up to several hundred thousand dollars, but it is well into the six figures. 300-400k all in/4 years
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Do walk-ons have to pay their own way to games?
 
#362      
Mobi
PepeSilvia said:
Illinois does not cost 60-70k per year unless maybe you're an international student.

I paid 72k total in tuition and fees for 4 years and graduated within the last decade(tuition hasn't really risen that much if you look at it). It was like another 11 for room and board as a freshman and then 15ish total for rent the final 3 years(no clue about what I spent on food and booze because I paid for that by bartending).

So probably all in for roughly 100k total over 4 years or 25k per year(freshman year was by the far the most expensive with living in a dorm). My graduating class was the first one not to see a team make the tournament in 4 years if you want a clue on the timeframe.
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It does for out of state students. My son was accepted a couple of years ago. It was $62k per year including room and board full price precisely.
 
#363      
Mobi
Definitely comic. Every year people freaked out; Every year Brad gets a top 25 lineup. The real problem are the angry posts at/near the end of the year.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
There's no way that 70K is the cost. The total, all in, would be $35-$40K for the year. It's a public school and gets state funding. If you're an out of state or an international student, it gets a little beefier.

Now, for a school like DePaul, because it's a Catholic/private school and gets no state funding....they are $65K to $70K per year. Loyola would be in the same boat.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
The cost to go to Illinois is not that heavy. It's just not. For an in state student, it's probably $30K to $35K, all in, per year. That's $15K to $17.5K per semester. You are correct, out of state or international students make the cost heavier. UIUC gets a lot of state funding.

Now, any Catholic/Private school blows that cost out of the water. DePaul is $62K to $65K per year. There's absolutely no public/state funding. Same with Loyola. The costs aren't close. It's extremely expensive. Northwestern is in that $84K to $88K per year.

Trust me, when you have kids that are graduating HS or have newly hopped into college....you know.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
That's what happens when the roster is completely set three months before last year and you retain a decent amount of players. The recruiting "fun" is over for another 10 months, when NIL/the portal kicks off again. We'll see if, by that time, there are more controls and parameters in place.
 
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Illinifun
hoopsfan47 said:
Not close to being true. Tuition at UIUC annually is far more than 14-18k and is likely more than that at 97% of Div.1 schools. Tuition alone for out of state students, which most of the hoops players are indeed, is 37,000. Add in room and board and you are over 50,000 or 200,000 per year. Good private schools, such as Ivy, Stanford, Notre Dame, Rice, etc. are about $10,000 more per year. There are some colleges where a student can expect costs to exceed $100,000 annually.
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My niece is at UIUC right now and she is on the hook for 70,000 a year. That is of course including R&B.
 
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201154JC
Just saw where Kendrick Nunn has become the highest paid player in EuroLeague history. A three year
13.5 million Euro extension.
 
#374      
Rebounding Dog
Correction: 30-35k per year (not semester). It was late last night and I MIGHT have had a few pours of bourbon :)
 
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Illini2010-11
NarrowJ said:
Seems most are failing to understand we are talking about how much it costs the university and not how much you pay for it
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The DIA is on the hook for the cost of tuition as well as room and board in most cases for athletes on scholarship (not sure why so many are insistent that full ride scholarship athletes don't get room and board covered in their packet), which is generally separate from the university. The cost comes from there. The university is not actually paying the costs at all.

If all 300+ student athletes had full scholarships including room and board like football players, you are looking at over $15M in annual costs that has to come from the DIA budget. That is no drop in the bucket like some are claiming.
 
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