Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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How about Damari Monsanto of UT San Antonio? He's listed as a 6'6", 225-pound Senior Shooting Guard. Monsanto averaged 11.1 points, 4.0 rebounds, and 1.4 assists per game this past season. Monsanto shot 40.7% from the field, including 42.0% ON 3-POINTERS, and 93.3% ON FREE THROWS. Monsanto played in 30 games, started in 27 games, and averaged 27.3 Minutes per game in the 24-25 season.
 
#27      
How about 6'6", 192-pound, Senior Small Forward Keonte Jones of Cal State Northridge? Jones averaged 13.1 points/9.0 rebounds/4.1 assists this past season. He shot 50.6% on FGs, including 38.2% on 3-pointers, and 67.5% on FTs.
 
#28      
I think that 6'6", 205-pound' Senior Shooting Guard Ali Dibba of SIU Carbondale could be "a backup combo guard" for the Illini next season. Dibba averaged 17.2 points/4.8 rebounds/2.0 assists last season. He shot 49.0% on FGs, including 33.7% on 3-pointers, and 66.0% on FTs.
 
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Another transfer still available in the transfer portal is 6'2", 184-pound, Sophomore Combo Guard George Kimble III of Eastern Kentucky. He averaged 18.0/3.7/3.2 this past season, playing 29.7 minutes per game. Kimble shot 38.0% on FGs, including 34.8% on 3-pointers, and 85.1% on FTs. He would check some boxes on the Illini fans' checklist. Plus, he has 2 years of eligibility remaining.
 
#30      
I'd guess that Giffa would be a "take"... IF the price is right... especially since we'd be taking him away from a Big Ten (USC) opponent.
 
#33      
My question would be where do we draw the line as to a useful sample size? 7 attempts obviously tells us nothing, but is 20 attempts enough? Some even argue that full seasons are not even large enough samples to derive shooting ability.
A college season really isn't a great sample size and there is a ton of noise and small streaks can drastically influence a season long percentage.

Generally for NBA guys they talk about 3pt% stabilizing around 750 attempts. KJ had 170 attempts, Hum 181, Tomi 154, Riley 144, and Boswell 143.

2 seasons of that type of volume will probably give you a pretty good idea of what type of shooter a guy is but still need to be taken in context(shot selection, type-off the dribble/pull-up/etc , and so on). Free throw percentage is also a terrific indicator of a guys shooting ability.

For example, Boswell shot 38% on 250 attempts from 3 at Arizona. He shot 24.5% on 143 attempts last year. Taking those stats and adding some context and the fact that he's a consistently been a 79% free throw shooter tells me he's probably an above average shooter but not the type that should be taking step back or off the dribble 3's.

I'd expect Boswell to bounce back and shoot somewhere in the mid 30's this year but the percentages are pretty easily explained when you factor in him mostly taking catch and shoot 3s at Arizona paired with some very questionable shot selection early in the season at Illinois.
 
#34      
Indy, have you seen him play much? What's your opinion of his game. I don't know a great deal about him, but my first impression is that for playing on the top team in his conference, his offensive efficiency numbers don't jump out at me a ton. How's his defense?
 
#38      
I'd say you are only good as you were last year when it comes to shooting, or hitting, or pitching.

Z: 37.5%
T: 35.7%
Davis: 34%
Ben: 34%
Andrej: 32%
KB: 24%

Mirkovic is a wild card. Say 32-35%?
Petrovic at 33%.

I believe the key to shooting better from three is shooting less from three.
This. I think we proved last year that when we shoot 30+ threes we are simply hoping we have a good shooting night. I think our sweet spot is closer to low 20’s in terms of volume.
 
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Dude had the yips shooting last year. He hit the side of the backboard more times than you could imagine. We were hard Don Ben H but Cade showed about 10% of what Ben H did. Cade showed that he didn’t belong in D1 basketball last year. Zero defense. Slow. Definitely couldnt play at the pace UNC played at. Minnesota playing at a much slower pace might be a good spot for him. Total misevaluation of Cade last year. Maybe he’ll turn it around and then the UNC fans can have yet another complaint against Hubert. Cade made over $600k in NIL last year and UNC fans feel like they got robbed.

Ben H is four times the player of Cade.
I don't think it was a misevaluation of Cade as much as Hubert Davis is a terrible coach and never even gave him a chance to succeed.

Ben got to play 30 minutes a game from the jump and had a green light to shoot as much as he wanted. Ben ended up averaging 26 minutes for the season.

Tyson never even got a chance to really play. He was basically relegate to the bench immediately except for a few game against small competition, then got 15 minutes twice against Florida and Louisville before being banished to the end of the bench again.

Tyson was the freshman of the year of the MVC and then all conference as a sophomore. He didnt just forget how to play basketball overnight. He's not a guy that's going to create his own look but I would bet he is good this year for Medved and i'd bet on him averaging double figures.
 
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Indy, have you seen him play much? What's your opinion of his game. I don't know a great deal about him, but my first impression is that for playing on the top team in his conference, his offensive efficiency numbers don't jump out at me a ton. How's his defense?
I think @Indy Illini Fan was referring to the news.
In terms of overview of potential options left overseas (most of these guys i think are committed outside of Avdalas) ...

Avdalas would be a perfect add. Another wing who can create and score and very talented. His lone visit is Virginia Tech which doesn't sound like all that big of a heavy hitter, although a school like Kansas could obviously get involved. Haven't seen Illinois labeled a player here, but a guy worth shooting your shot imo.
 
#41      
I agree that Tyson will have a big bounce back season. There’s a ton of truth in the idea that a lot of players really struggle the first season after transferring up a level. You see it everywhere, we saw it this season ourselves as well.

Tyson scored 16.2 ppg on 50/47/86 at Belmont and then shot 26% from 3 last year at UNC. He shot 47% the year prior on volume, which is incredible.

Could you imagine if Ben shot 26% last year instead of the slightly above average 34.3% he ended up at? (before you reply, note that power conf teams shot 33.6% overall from 3 so I’m not wrong there).

Tyson will bounce back and have a nice season. I expect the same from Ben although with Mirk I expect it to be in a reduced role, which will benefit him anyway (and us as well, so we don’t have to have collective toddler tantrums about his playing time).
 
#42      
This. I think we proved last year that when we shoot 30+ threes we are simply hoping we have a good shooting night. I think our sweet spot is closer to low 20’s in terms of volume.
If you’re shooting consistently above 35% from 3 as a team, 30+ is better.

The problem is last year we were anything but consistent, shooting like 50%, then 20%, then 33% game by game.

In general the more consistent your shooters are, the more 3s you want to take. See Alabama, the Celtics, etc.
 
#43      
I agree that Tyson will have a big bounce back season. There’s a ton of truth in the idea that a lot of players really struggle the first season after transferring up a level. You see it everywhere, we saw it this season ourselves as well.

Tyson scored 16.2 ppg on 50/47/86 at Belmont and then shot 26% from 3 last year at UNC. He shot 47% the year prior on volume, which is incredible.

Could you imagine if Ben shot 26% last year instead of the slightly above average 34.3% he ended up at? (before you reply, note that power conf teams shot 33.6% overall from 3 so I’m not wrong there).

Tyson will bounce back and have a nice season. I expect the same from Ben although with Mirk I expect it to be in a reduced role, which will benefit him anyway (and us as well, so we don’t have to have collective toddler tantrums about his playing time).
Not much would've changed. Brad proved it over and over no matter how bad he played he'll have his 25 minutes or such every game. Whether right or wrong is in the beholder's eye (although we all know the truth). I honestly think he'll do better in a reduced role. The rare times he played a little less last year he actually produced well. Just a player who you need to put in the right situations and not mis-evaluate (as true for every player). Wasn't the case last year and took the crap for it, which is unfortunate for all parties including him.
 
#44      
Regardless of the volume... have to get rid of the sub 25% shooting nights. It will happen a few times throughout the course of a year, but not every other game as it seemed in February/late January.

Duke was literally 0-16 from 3 in the first half, 12-14 from 2 (bizarre stat).

There's really no other recipe for it other than... staying confident, good shot selection, and hopefully making them. I think being older helps with all of those things.
 
#45      
Not much would've changed. Brad proved it over and over no matter how bad he played he'll have his 25 minutes or such every game. Whether right or wrong is in the beholder's eye (although we all know the truth). I honestly think he'll do better in a reduced role. The rare times he played a little less last year he actually produced well. Just a player who you need to put in the right situations and not mis-evaluate (as true for every player). Wasn't the case last year and took the crap for it, which is unfortunate for all parties including him.

Interesting Ben Humrichous tidbit that I'm unsure will change your perception or not, but here goes:

Ben Humrichous led the entire B1G in lowest turnover % last year (qualifying players who started > 16 games)

Guy played almost 1,000 minutes and had 17 turnovers. That's why he played (ie, not because Brad is stubborn old codger)
 
#46      
Let's see Ben play 12-18 minutes a game, guard the other teams 4,
rebound effectively (4 per game), get on the floor for a few loose
balls and shoot 28% from 3 (but only after doing the other things
that help the team) Then he'll help the team and earn some fan respect.
*see Lucas Johnson
 
#47      
If you’re shooting consistently above 35% from 3 as a team, 30+ is better.

The problem is last year we were anything but consistent, shooting like 50%, then 20%, then 33% game by game.

In general the more consistent your shooters are, the more 3s you want to take. See Alabama, the Celtics, etc.
Consistency is certainly the key here. I guess my point is that the game plan can’t just be shoot 30+ threes every night. We need to be able to realize our off nights and pivot to higher % looks that come from getting the ball inside.

Especially against teams where our big men are at an advantage.
 
#49      
Not much would've changed. Brad proved it over and over no matter how bad he played he'll have his 25 minutes or such every game. Whether right or wrong is in the beholder's eye (although we all know the truth). I honestly think he'll do better in a reduced role. The rare times he played a little less last year he actually produced well. Just a player who you need to put in the right situations and not mis-evaluate (as true for every player). Wasn't the case last year and took the crap for it, which is unfortunate for all parties including him.
People just make stuff up, huh. This isn’t true. Over the last 7 games of the season, starting with the Iowa game, Ben averaged just 18 minutes per game and only played 16 and 13 against Xavier and Kentucky in the NCAAT.
 
#50      
Dude had the yips shooting last year. He hit the side of the backboard more times than you could imagine. We were hard Don Ben H but Cade showed about 10% of what Ben H did. Cade showed that he didn’t belong in D1 basketball last year. Zero defense. Slow. Definitely couldnt play at the pace UNC played at. Minnesota playing at a much slower pace might be a good spot for him. Total misevaluation of Cade last year. Maybe he’ll turn it around and then the UNC fans can have yet another complaint against Hubert. Cade made over $600k in NIL last year and UNC fans feel like they got robbed.

Ben H is four times the player of Cade.
Thanks for finding a good reason to help me stop complaining Ben. However, if you look at their minutes and points, I think Ben is literally only three times better than Cade, not four times. ;)
 
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