Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

[BrownTown]

And the other 17 member institutions are going to agree to that because?

The only conference anything like that has happened is the ACC, as a last ditch effort to settle a lawsuit and keep Florida St. and Clemson in the league for the time being. At this point there's no real danger of OSU leaving the Big Ten, so absolutely no reason any other program would agree to something like this. It would be bad for the conference, bad for all but 3 or 4 programs, and honestly bad for the entire conference model (which obviously the conference has a vested interest in). The only way this happens is if a "super-league" concept, with big name programs leaving their conferences to join some kind of "mini-NFL" gains steam, and unequal revenue share is the only way to prevent it.

Follow me on this..

-20.5 mil revenue share goes away after lawsuits (Salary Cap is unlawful without Collective Bargaining Agreement--almost no disagreement on this among major CFP talking heads) very little optimism that our CURRENT revenue share/NIL system stays in place.

New model will likely be more on the lines of "Pay is up to the school based on earnings". Blue bloods will not allow themselves to lose competitive advantage so they will push conferences for allocated media rights deals based on their % of revenue earned through viewership etc.

Leverage is obviously breaking off with the other Whales and making a super league OR just flat out flirting with the SEC.

Who does the B1G side with? The money makers OR Rutgers/Northwestern etc crying that they won't be getting the same $ they didn't EARN.

The idea that the B1G cares what the bottom dwellers think is just asinine to me. In this scenario, MICH, PSU, Oregon, USC, OSU all ask for a larger percentage of the media rights money and likely 1/4 to a half of playoff money earned by their entrance into the CFP. With the rest going evenly among the other schools.


The whole "what will the other schools say?"....

This is 2025....Football is getting 3/4 or more of the rev share in almost every school. Why? Because they earn it.
Are we worried about what Golf says about that financial apportionment?

 

[the juiceman cometh]

Follow me on this..

-20.5 mil revenue share goes away after lawsuits (Salary Cap is unlawful without Collective Bargaining Agreement--almost no disagreement on this among major CFP talking heads) very little optimism that our CURRENT revenue share/NIL system stays in place.

New model will likely be more on the lines of "Pay is up to the school based on earnings". Blue bloods will not allow themselves to lose competitive advantage so they will push conferences for allocated media rights deals based on their % of revenue earned through viewership etc.

Leverage is obviously breaking off with the other Whales and making a super league OR just flat out flirting with the SEC.

Who does the B1G side with? The money makers OR Rutgers/Northwestern etc crying that they won't be getting the same $ they didn't EARN.

The idea that the B1G cares what the bottom dwellers think is just asinine to me. In this scenario, MICH, PSU, Oregon, USC, OSU all ask for a larger percentage of the media rights money and likely 1/4 to a half of playoff money earned by their entrance into the CFP. With the rest going evenly among the other schools.


The whole "what will the other schools say?"....

This is 2025....Football is getting 3/4 or more of the rev share in almost every school. Why? Because they earn it.
Are we worried about what Golf says about that financial apportionment?

You clearly don't understand that the Big Ten can't just unilaterally impose a new revenue allotment system. That kind of change requires the votes of member institutions. Unless it helps a majority of institutions, it won't happen. "What will the other schools say" is not a triviality, it's the whole ballgame.

 

[BrownTown]

You clearly don't understand that the Big Ten can't just unilaterally impose a new revenue allotment system. That kind of change requires the votes of member institutions. Unless it helps a majority of institutions, it won't happen. "What will the other schools say" is not a triviality, it's the whole ballgame.

When the major players threaten to leave if they don't get proportional earnings...what do the others say? Their revenue and TV deals are HIGHLY valued on those flagship teams.

The bottom 8 to 10 teams would get ALOT LESS money in any new arrangement deal should the big boys walk. Your value is that you occupy media markets across the country and add value to the package deal that is the B1G.

 

[GoodePodzMelendez]

I’ve said it on here before … Think we land Constanza … That’s the 5 star …

I also think we get Luigi and other euros … Plus one or two portal guys …

Brad has also really pushed for Coleman … Wagler type prospect …

I agree, this Coleman kid has got something. If he is another Wagler, I am in.

 

[the juiceman cometh]

When the major players threaten to leave if they don't get proportional earnings...what do the others say? Their revenue and TV deals are HIGHLY valued on those flagship teams.

The bottom 8 to 10 teams would get ALOT LESS money in any new arrangement deal should the big boys walk. Your value is that you occupy media markets across the country and add value to the package deal that is the B1G.

Where are they going to?

SEC doesn't offer what they want and there is no super league to run to at the moment. If a super league becomes a real thing then I doubt even an uneven revenue structure matches the money involved (at least not if it becomes attractive enough to pull ND and the SEC teams it would need). I think there are real question marks to how viable a super league would even be (isn't it contrary to the very things that make college football popular?), and we've seen a similar proposal completely collapse in European soccer. So they can threaten all they want but at this juncture and for the foreseeable future those are empty threats.

 

[jamarvelous31]

When the major players threaten to leave if they don't get proportional earnings...what do the others say? Their revenue and TV deals are HIGHLY valued on those flagship teams.

The bottom 8 to 10 teams would get ALOT LESS money in any new arrangement deal should the big boys walk. Your value is that you occupy media markets across the country and add value to the package deal that is the B1G.

The market is currently a duopoly and no one from the SEC or from the remaining Big ten teams will help them navigate things like cfp access or breaking their TV rights contracts.

OSU would need a credible place to go otherwise there is no leverage. No one believes they're going to go through that for an unsecured extra 5M when the Big ten already leads the nation in revenue share and revenue allocation.

 

[Illini 993]

When the major players threaten to leave if they don't get proportional earnings...what do the others say? Their revenue and TV deals are HIGHLY valued on those flagship teams.

The bottom 8 to 10 teams would get ALOT LESS money in any new arrangement deal should the big boys walk. Your value is that you occupy media markets across the country and add value to the package deal that is the B1G.

I just don't think tOSU has any leverage to threaten leaving. They need the B1G at least as much as the B1G needs them. Having a tough conference schedule each year is a huge amount of why tOSU is so prominent.

 

[Dan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959251552771727611

 

[IlliniFan42]

The last point re NDvs OSU doesn't make sense.

ND gets ~20M a year from NBC tv whereas Ohio State gets ~60M from the Big 10. Nd got 16-20 million in cfp distributions. Do you think Ohio State is going to push for a model in which it makes less?

Dunno why nobody pointed this out- ND gets around $50M a year from NBC, not $20M. Did anybody here really think ND was staying independent to make Big East money?

 

[IlliniFan42]

When it comes to breaking up the two major conferences, the key to avoiding such a scenario is to make sure media contracts don't align. The Big Ten's ends in 2030, while the SEC's ends in 2034.

I'm just throwing this out there, but if you told Michigan, OSU, Penn State, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Alabama, and Georgia they could leave and start their own conference for free (and maybe add 2-4 teams to keep things interesting, I just took the top four in revenue from each conference), I think they take it.

 

[Emerson Bigguns]

When it comes to breaking up the two major conferences, the key to avoiding such a scenario is to make sure media contracts don't align. The Big Ten's ends in 2030, while the SEC's ends in 2034.

I'm just throwing this out there, but if you told Michigan, OSU, Penn State, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Alabama, and Georgia they could leave and start their own conference for free (and maybe add 2-4 teams to keep things interesting, I just took the top four in revenue from each conference), I think they take it.

I would think this would be dangerous for all involved. The reason these are the BRAND NAMES of college football is because they usually win a lot of games. Someone is finishing last in that conference.
It’s hard to pack a stadium if you are 2-5 in the conference, no matter how rich your history might be.

 

[BashCtIllini]

When it comes to breaking up the two major conferences, the key to avoiding such a scenario is to make sure media contracts don't align. The Big Ten's ends in 2030, while the SEC's ends in 2034.

I'm just throwing this out there, but if you told Michigan, OSU, Penn State, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Alabama, and Georgia they could leave and start their own conference for free (and maybe add 2-4 teams to keep things interesting, I just took the top four in revenue from each conference), I think they take it.

Why in the world would they want that? Why do you want every game essentially being a toss-up whether you win or not? You need some of those weaker teams to give your team a mental break.

If they put together this super conference and then tried to say, well a 4-4 record in this conference is better than a 6-2 or 7-1 record in weaker conferences because we have all the best teams, college football is over.

 

[jamarvelous31]

Dunno why nobody pointed this out- ND gets around $50M a year from NBC, not $20M. Did anybody here really think ND was staying independent to make Big East money?

Good call. Google fail...likely brought up their old contract.

But also, B10 is about to jump up to 80-100. So they're still getting 1/2 of what tOSU gets today. (Using sources this time ha).

Big Ten completes 7-year, $7 billion media rights agreement with Fox, CBS, NBC

The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.

www.espn.com

 

[the juiceman cometh]

I would think this would be dangerous for all involved. The reason these are the BRAND NAMES of college football is because they usually win a lot of games. Someone is finishing last in that conference.
It’s hard to pack a stadium if you are 2-5 in the conference, no matter how rich your history might be.

Yeah, and I don't understand why everyone seems to think the absolute biggest winners in the current status quo are itching for a major overhaul to the system. Typically in any given situation those are the types of entities that are reluctant to take major risks like that.

 

[IlliniFan42]

Good call. Google fail...likely brought up their old contract.

But also, B10 is about to jump up to 80-100. So they're still getting 1/2 of what tOSU gets today. (Using sources this time ha).

Big Ten completes 7-year, $7 billion media rights agreement with Fox, CBS, NBC

The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.

www.espn.com

Keep in mind that Notre Dame also gets paid by the ACC (somewhere between $20M-$25M) for non-football sports, so you have to include that when making the comparison.

 

[Calvin]

I would think this would be dangerous for all involved. The reason these are the BRAND NAMES of college football is because they usually win a lot of games. Someone is finishing last in that conference.
It’s hard to pack a stadium if you are 2-5 in the conference, no matter how rich your history might be.

The ex-SEC teams would say they deserve to be in the CFP at 2-5 because, well, strength of schedule

 

[jamarvelous31]

Keep in mind that Notre Dame also gets paid by the ACC (somewhere between $20M-$25M) for non-football sports, so you have to include that when making the comparison.

Fair, but the general point is that no one believes tOSU is going to leave to maybe make an extra 5M.

I think that point stands..

 

[PNWIllini]

Are you suggesting they'd go independent? Good luck scheduling games. I'd expect the Big Ten to bar its programs from scheduling them, and I'd guess most other P4 teams would be reluctant to schedule OSU (as they are increasingly reluctant to schedule tough non-cons), so how are they going to fill out a quality 12 game schedule?

There has been a small but loud contingent of the fanbase that’s argued for independence every time we’ve gotten a raw deal from the Conference or some other incident. I remember one such episode while they were reaming Henson over the whole BS caused by Bruce Pearl.

We are not Notre Dame. We are a founding member of the Western Athletic Conference (Big Ten).

Michigan rage quit once. Chicago quit forever. We don’t do that.

 

[IlliniFan42]

There has been a small but loud contingent of the fanbase that’s argued for independence every time we’ve gotten a raw deal from the Conference or some other incident. I remember one such episode while they were reaming Henson over the whole BS caused by Bruce Pearl.

We are not Notre Dame. We are a founding member of the Western Athletic Conference (Big Ten).

Michigan rage quit once. Chicago quit forever. We don’t do that.

IMO, Michigan wasn't wrong. UChicago wanted to effectively kill college football and Michigan's return to the conference signaled UChicago had failed and would ultimately leave the conference when they decided if they couldn't kill college football for everyone, they could at least kill it for themselves.

 

[jamarvelous31]

IMO, Michigan wasn't wrong. UChicago wanted to effectively kill college football and Michigan's return to the conference signaled UChicago had failed and would ultimately leave the conference when they decided if they couldn't kill college football for everyone, they could at least kill it for themselves.

Any recommendations on articles about the topic?

 

[PNWIllini]

IMO, Michigan wasn't wrong. UChicago wanted to effectively kill college football and Michigan's return to the conference signaled UChicago had failed and would ultimately leave the conference when they decided if they couldn't kill college football for everyone, they could at least kill it for themselves.

Fielding Yost was an obnoxious and self important fella. My reading of history was it was his own vendetta against the Conference that led them to quit.

He was literally the original ‘Michigan Man.’

I’ll dig up some citations if they’re required.

 

[IlliniFan42]

Any recommendations on articles about the topic?

It's just based on what I've gathered, mainly using Wikipedia/Google.

Here's the original article (basically a blurb to be honest) regarding Michigan's ouster. Read the terms Michigan disagreed with. They're absolutely insane for any modern fan that they'd even be considered.- https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1907/04/14/106748007.pdf

Obviously biased, but this also goes into it in great detail, and adds interesting detail that this led to the UM-MSU and UM-OSU rivalries- https://mvictors.com/100th-anniversary-michigan-leaves-the-conference/

 

[PleaseMakeABowlGame]

We’re pushing for Holmes somewhat …

We’re in better spot with Jervis & Constanza … Be interesting to see if Jervis takes all his visits … Or his visit schedule changes … I continue to hear it’s NC State, MSU, Texas & Illinois …

For Holmes … Gonna be REAL tough to beat …

Would love to snag Jervis and Constanza. Hopefully get one at the very least.

 

[Illini-Rule]

When it comes to breaking up the two major conferences, the key to avoiding such a scenario is to make sure media contracts don't align. The Big Ten's ends in 2030, while the SEC's ends in 2034.

I'm just throwing this out there, but if you told Michigan, OSU, Penn State, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Alabama, and Georgia they could leave and start their own conference for free (and maybe add 2-4 teams to keep things interesting, I just took the top four in revenue from each conference), I think they take it.

This would never happen, because none of those schools want to play that kind of competition on a regular basis.

 

[jamarvelous31]

This would never happen, because none of those schools want to play that kind of competition on a regular basis.

Exactly. Someone has to lose and a team like Penn St (and UM for most of the last 20 years) has thrived as bum slayers.