Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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I wanted to put this long parroted narrative to the test. Let's see what the actual difference is:
Seems like the difference is negligible at best. Also, consider that half of these guys jumped up a level.
there is one theory that may be more time based around the fletch effect... it takes time for your body to adjust to his workout routine and that the "new" muscles require an adjustment period on your shot mechanics. I believe will Riley's family may have mentioned this as a reason he struggled for a bit. I don't fully buy it it would need to be looked at from month to month to year to year basis to even verify.
This is not the proper way to look at it. 3pt shooting has nothing to do with Illinois per se. The difference comes when you change your level of competition. And sorry to break it to you, your stats prove that point, with only 1 outlier. Shannon, Mayer, Guerrier, Boswell, Tre White, Ivisic, Stojakovic, and Plummer didn't change competition levels.
Grandison, Harmon, Domask, Humrichous, and Davis stepped up to higher level competition, and all but Grandison saw their 3pt % drop. And this is obvious. It is easier to shooter when your competition is shorter and less athletic. While that's a general statement, we do know the taller and more athletic players tend to end up at the P5 schools.
So when people were all excited about Humrichous because he was a 40% 3pt shooter, I was saying you're crazy if you think he's going to shoot the same at Illinois as he did at Evansville. In general, expect about a 5% drop for guys who step up in competition.
Everything else is a bit random. 2023-24 was a bit of an odd year. Everyone seemed to play well, which would be the reason we had probably our best year under Underwood that year. For example, Coleman Hawkins shot 37% that season, when in his 4 other seasons over roughly 300 attempt, he was consistently sub 30% 3pt shooter. That was also Guerrier's best year. So there are always exceptions to the rule, but the rule is if you step up in competition, we should not expect the same shooting numbers.
The theory that strength training negatively impacts shooting has been around for a long time, is not Illinois basketball specific, and has been studied and debunked. In fact, studies have shown the opposite, that strength training has a positive impact on shooting accuracy. https://www.researchgate.net/public...On_Shooting_Performance_of_Basketball_Players
every time I miss a shot, I point to my biceps and say the rim couldn't handle that smoke!
Since I am not looking at it properly, could you post a graphic that shows the correct way to visualize it?
Yes, this is half of the point I was making, hence my comment at the end: "Also, consider that half of these guys jumped up a level."
Same.
I would make minor quibbles elsewhere though that the 2021 version of the Pac-12 to the 2022 version of the B1G is a considerable step up in competition level for Plummer and a 5% drop is probably a bit too much (maybe 2-3% imo). But that's just splitting hairs. The 2nd minor quibble actually counters to my overall original point, so I'm just trying to be fair and impartial here.
But, I'll be looking forward to your version of the graphic that shows the proper way to look at this!
I find it mildly amusing he said it wasn’t the correct way to look at it and then proceeded to agree with you (shooting is more difficult at higher levels of ball).
DICKnaggie
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Hope we show him the NYT article from last year about how the Chinese food scene on campus is even better many major cities. Great read if you haven't seen it.
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
in-state kid to keep tabs on:
what?
Some sites have more scouts to get eyes on players and update more often.
At the end of the day...
Everyone has an opinion... and you know what they say about those. Ask Keaton Wagler about rankings... The top 10 kids usually have some traits that you'd have to be blind to miss... After that its a lot more subjective, and pretty far from an exact science... the farther down the list you go, the more volatile the opinions and the less difference there is in anything based in objectivity.
Can you identify the guys who love ball and love to work. That's the biggest challenge.
Good luck with him playing for Slaughter
I actually found it to be very true. However, I would have extended of lifting weights, without shooting practice in between. It took a little bit of time to adjust.
Out guys are lifting quite a bit, but I can't imagine that they go much more than a day in between shooting practice. I would guess most never skip a day.
Thanks for sharing the actual research.
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
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Illini recruit Landon Davis will be on livestream tonight. Waukee Northwest plays Ankeny. Tip will be somewhere around 7:30. The varsity girls game is at 6.
I wanted to go to this game since it’s 6 miles from my house, but it’s been a hectic week. I’m hoping to see him play live next week.
I wanted to go to this game since it’s 6 miles from my house, but it’s been a hectic week. I’m hoping to see him play live next week.
I do feel there is a definite adjustment but one thing to remember is non athletes don't often stretch. stretching before and after maintains the flexibility and range of motion needed to retain and/or build muscle memory. these athletes all do that now as part of their routine
Nice proofreading, dummy.
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
If the meeting I have on Tuesday ends in time, I’ll likely attend the Waukee NW-West Des Moines Dowling Catholic game on Tuesday. Northwest is #2 in Iowa’s large school class, while Dowling is #3. I’m assuming that game will also be live-streamed, and I’ll post the link if that’s the case.
Other than the hair, I don't see Wagler. I get more PF w/handle vibes from him. He's definitely got more weight/muscle on him than Wagler at the same point in their HS senior seasons. Rather there are similarities or not, he looks like a great addition and can't wait to see him in O&B.
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