Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Why do you feel that this line up won't work? I have only read about 15 pages, so I apologize if already addressed.
There's no established lead guard in that lineup with a good enough assist to turnover ratio to trust with running our offense, bringing the ball up the court, snd making the key pass that gets us shots we need. Good, athletic teams would press that lineup to death.
 
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Part of Andrej coming back will definitely be that he will want the ball in his hands more as an initiator. That’s his path to the NBA
Um no. His path to anywhere is excelling in the exact role he had with Illinois last year. He’s never going to run an offense. He needs to excel at getting to the rim, getting better at passing once he gets inside the arc, and being a respectable shooter.
 
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Inspect Will Smith GIF
 
#817      
Nobody passes, everybody's game is built around scoring, and the ballhandling is okay but not great.

Brad is creative and we've built inside-out offenses before (it's easy to say Mirk would be the booty ball PG there, but I kinda feel like it would be Tomi in a sort of Dwight-era Magic Stan Van Gundy offense), you could imagine certain solutions.

But I go back to all of those preseason rankings yesterday. If we get the RIGHT fit who lets our returnees do what they're BEST at, we are in a position to be the favorite to win the entire thing. I like John Blackwell a lot, but not enough to distract me from seizing that opportunity.
Yeah, last year we had two point guards, Bam & Keaton. Both with decent assist rates (Keaton’s, of course, better) and very low turnover rates

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Here’s Blackwell:

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He has a lower assist rate than Mirk on higher usage (much lower turnover rate though).

Here’s Terrance Hill Jr:

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Basically Keaton in assist and turnover rate. Granted, against weaker competition.

Here’s Robert Wright III:

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Would’ve had the highest assist rate on our team last year. Slightly higher turnover rate.

Can a team that doesn’t have a true point / high assist rate guard still have efficient offense? Yes. Here’s the 2024 Illini:

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Mirk would likely develop into the Domask here, but Terrence Hill and Robert Wright very well could be better fits for this team. Offensively at least.
 
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To be clear I know less than nothing. I am Schmucky the Clown over here, but if we want Blackwell we need to push all our chips to the middle of the table and get after it. The longer Duke is involved here is not great.
 
#822      
Have heard we are in deep with a Ben replacement already. Can't release the name yet, but think most would be happy.

Duke or Illinois for Blackwell as of now.
Does his dad know Duke is not in the B1G?
 
#823      
I mean one game? Okay

Defensively, Illinois was 8 points per 100 possessions better with Boswell on the floor than with him off...
8pts per 100 possessions better? I'm seeing raw 1.070ppp given up with Boswell on court vs. 1.056ppp average for the team. Adjusted per competition, Kylan is -1.9ppp, team is -1.5ppp. What did you use to find the 8pts per 100 possessions better? Individual defensive metrics are tricky as they tend to be team base parameters that for all intents and purposes is glorified plus/minus. And from that standpoint, really Big Z was the standout there. Illinois was 10.0ppp raw when he was on the court. Everyone else pretty much plus or minus 4 (Petro and Jake slightly worse)

Overall I think Boswell was a fine defender and had very good games and some stinkers as well. I personally also wouldn't have voted him on the all-defense team this year, but I do think he was very good for us most nights and our best on-ball defender for most of this season.
 
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Nobody passes, everybody's game is built around scoring, and the ballhandling is okay but not great.

Brad is creative and we've built inside-out offenses before (it's easy to say Mirk would be the booty ball PG there, but I kinda feel like it would be Tomi in a sort of Dwight-era Magic Stan Van Gundy offense), you could imagine certain solutions.

But I go back to all of those preseason rankings yesterday. If we get the RIGHT fit who lets our returnees do what they're BEST at, we are in a position to be the favorite to win the entire thing. I like John Blackwell a lot, but not enough to distract me from seizing that opportunity.
You lost me with the first line. Our 4 and 5 in that lineup are both known to be great passers. I assume you’re referencing the backcourt as being non-passers. Without a doubt, they all look to be score first players (referencing mainly Blackwell and Coleman here, as we know the book on Drej), but I wouldn’t classify them as non-passers. The scout report on Coleman says he was efficient and capable when put in a lead guard role (2:1 assist:to ratio) while Blackwell has a solid assist % (13-14) for someone that’s always been off the ball. Both of those guys seem capable of bringing the ball up the floor and initiating offense, though perhaps with less control than a Keaton or KJ had.

I generally agree with your thesis that we would be better served finding someone that can function as a high-level true PG but I disagree with the statement that the above lineup couldn’t work. It could. We’ve seen a different flavor of this in 2024. It would just mean instilling a different type of scheme that leans into our big men more and uses our guards to get the ball up the floor and kick off more high-low sets.

Edit: while I would love a high-level PG, those players are always in high demand. If we can’t get one we feel good about but can get Blackwell, I feel comfortable with that outcome, knowing it would mean some adjustments to the offense.
 
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