Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Why does the ESPN link on April 17th have him as Illinois Fighting Illini guard? The timeline seems off here.
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Because that same link was updated after he transferred to Illinois. I took the screenshot today; not on April 17th.

You don’t get a different player profile on ESPN for transferring.
 
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If you are in lottery position of the draft, it is almost a no brainer to go pro. Getting the rookie contract out of the way a year sooner than if you went back to college is actually super important.

Not to mention 3 years of first round Illini picks in a row looks great for the program.
He needs to go.

Literally No. 5 on ESPN’s updated big board this morning… no (reputable) mock draft has him below 7… many have him as high as 5… basically 0% chance he falls out of the top 10 barring some catastrophic combine or injury.

Makes ZERO logical sense to be back in college.
I agree that when you are going to get drafted high, it makes sense to go and secure your future. However, the gap between the first couple of picks and the rest gets wider every year. For example the difference between being the first pick this year (~$52M over 4 years) and being the 7th pick this year (~$28M over 4 years) is the same gap between being the 7th pick and an early second round pick. Every slot at the top of the draft makes a big difference. In the teens and 20s it stops making a big difference.

All that is to say, going back to school to be one of the top 1 or 2 picks vs. the 6th or 7th pick actually could make financial sense if you get a large NIL deal to go back. Plus you enter the league that much more physically ready to compete and make an impact - there are plenty of lottery picks that went after their freshman year, drafted on potential and flame out and never get that big money contract, because they went to the wrong team, weren't used correctly, not allowed to develop etc.

I'm not saying that will be Keaton, we all think he's going to make it, but it's something to consider and he and his family seem to be thinking about this the right way, what is best for Keaton and his future. I don't think there is a wrong decision for him, I think either path leads to greatness for him.
 
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Lot of buzz with Michigan for Juke Harris.
As much as it pains me to say it, Michigan hit a grandslam in hiring Dusty May and they aren't going anywhere. The Juwan Howard days are done 😢

I was watching that behind the scenes, "Made for March" show on Paramount, I left impressed with May.

The good news is, Illinois is right there with them. Now to win a Championship!
 
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The difference I see in KW from Will Riley and KJ though is the mentality. Once word got to KJ and Will that NBA scouts wanted them first round, they went full Darryn Peterson and dried up on the court. But after Keaton dropped 46 in Mackey on #4 Purdue, he kept steady and led the team further. I still want him to go Pro now because it's better for him, but I don't think KW wants the money and fame to the extent of Will and KJ; therefore we can compare a little bit but not entirely I think.
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Well, zero FINANCIAL sense.
I don't think KW wants the money and fame to the extent of Will and KJ
The money and the fame are part of it, sure, but it's about more than that. These kids have poured their blood sweat and tears into this game since before they can remember, and have risen and stuck with it and achieved, because they have the burning fire inside to BE GREAT.

The NBA, regardless of whatever struggles it may be having, is the apex of the sport of basketball on earth, it is the top of the mountain. And Keaton Wagler has been called, he's being offered a seat among the titans. He's not going to reject that call, he was born for this.
 
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Well… if it makes no logical sense, then it shouldn’t make emotional sense either if you’re a logical person.
Good to know, Mr. Spock.
 
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Sure would have been nice to have one of Ron Harper's sons
Pre knee injury Steve Kerr was also absolutely ridiculous. One of the best shooters I've ever seen and far more explosive a player than the post knee injury Steve Kerr we saw in the NBA. A high volume 50%+ 3pt shooter who could also drain the midrange? If only he had kids like that...
 
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The difference I see in KW from Will Riley and KJ though is the mentality. Once word got to KJ and Will that NBA scouts wanted them first round, they went full Darryn Peterson and dried up on the court. But after Keaton dropped 46 in Mackey on #4 Purdue, he kept steady and led the team further. I still want him to go Pro now because it's better for him, but I don't think KW wants the money and fame to the extent of Will and KJ; therefore we can compare a little bit but not entirely I think.
Will's last 1/3 of the season was by far his best stretch so this is completely not true. KJ, yes, but he was never the same after the injury.
 
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I apologize if this has already been asked.
Has LOV (Loss of value insurance) been discussed?

If Keaton got a huge bag at Illinois and wanted to stay for whatever reason, could LOV (which he could then easily afford) significantly shift the risk / reward analysis?

 
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Apologies if its been said already, but I recall Jake Davis was said to be one of the primary (the primary?) team leaders. Add that to his value on the court and he is even harder to replace.
 
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Will Riley is a perfect example of the benefits of the "if you're a first rounder, go" mindset. He's done more than "get some tick" he is turning heads as a budding star.

You spend more hours playing more basketball against better competition in the NBA than in college, with more private trainers, dieticians, the whole bit. And if you're a first rounder your team has a multi-year investment in you succeeding down that pathway.

Will could have crushed it in college this year, but he's developed far more in the NBA and is a year closer to the big free agency payday.

Will Riley looks great; however, his organization is one of the worst in the NBA. It has been that way for 30 years.

Keaton needs to think very hard about where he might end up. I would make my decision based on that. I would do my best to avoid Sacramento, Memphis, Utah and New Orleans.
 
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I apologize if this has already been asked.
Has LOV (Loss of value insurance) been discussed?

If Keaton got a huge bag at Illinois and wanted to stay for whatever reason, could LOV (which he could then easily afford) significantly shift the risk / reward analysis?

Yes - most guys on NBA boards have it regardless of sticking around
 
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Will's last 1/3 of the season was by far his best stretch so this is completely not true. KJ, yes, but he was never the same after the injury.
Fair point, maybe I'm more referring to KJ. Will kind of at least felt like he had his agents in his ear all season, wanting to go pro as soon as he could, but I haven't felt that way from Keaton. KJ seemed to stop trying as hard once it was in the bag, though could be injury related. Love seeing both do well in the pros regardless.

Funny enough, when I first started watching Keaton, I thought he looked like a Will 2.0: bit of an undersized physique but tall kid that will drive to the basket and somehow not fail to get the bucket.
 
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I agree that when you are going to get drafted high, it makes sense to go and secure your future. However, the gap between the first couple of picks and the rest gets wider every year. For example the difference between being the first pick this year (~$52M over 4 years) and being the 7th pick this year (~$28M over 4 years) is the same gap between being the 7th pick and an early second round pick. Every slot at the top of the draft makes a big difference. In the teens and 20s it stops making a big difference.

All that is to say, going back to school to be one of the top 1 or 2 picks vs. the 6th or 7th pick actually could make financial sense if you get a large NIL deal to go back. Plus you enter the league that much more physically ready to compete and make an impact - there are plenty of lottery picks that went after their freshman year, drafted on potential and flame out and never get that big money contract, because they went to the wrong team, weren't used correctly, not allowed to develop etc.

I'm not saying that will be Keaton, we all think he's going to make it, but it's something to consider and he and his family seem to be thinking about this the right way, what is best for Keaton and his future. I don't think there is a wrong decision for him, I think either path leads to greatness for him.
Not necessarily disagreeing with this take, but this is still a gamble in itself. There is never a strong guarantee that you could move into the top 1 or 2 picks by going back to college for an additional season. You will be one year older (which actually might be a negative as crazy as that sounds), and sometimes teams in the draft lottery actually want the raw talent and being able to develop them in their own way. However, the exploding NIL deals do make this a tougher decision than in the past. Players projected in the lower part of the first round definitely do have a tough decision to make.

Generally speaking, players drafted in the top 7 of the draft generally get pretty good opportunities early in their career to get good playing time. Therefore, I still suspect that players projected to go in the draft lottery all stay in the draft. Getting out of that rookie contract a year sooner than going back to college is important, especially if the player is willing to bet on themself.
 
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I apologize if this has already been asked.
Has LOV (Loss of value insurance) been discussed?

If Keaton got a huge bag at Illinois and wanted to stay for whatever reason, could LOV (which he could then easily afford) significantly shift the risk / reward analysis?

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It’s not necessarily about the degree … You can get that while being in the NBA …

I had a conversation with his parents and I should start by saying that they seem like great people … Very down to earth …

They just want the best situation for him and for him to be happy …

If that’s coming back to college … Great … If it’s going pro … Great …
Does he have siblings that come to all the games too?
 
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You're absolutely right. It makes absolutely no LOGICAL sense.

But I'm assuming the Wagler family isn't Vulcan, so emotional factors might come into play, like a level of comfort and joy when PLAYING the game, while still banking a big bag.

My gut tells me Keaton is NBA bound, but there is some reason to feel otherwise.
would you risk 20 million on a game full of michigan state hugs?? its sad, but you go.
some day you help the alma with some NIL money.
 
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