Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I just don’t buy the waiting until the summer thing. I will die on the hill screaming they need another guard. Badly.

Bring an experienced guy to solidify that spot. We are trying to win a national championship. In my opinion, you need experienced guards to do that.

Look, there is ZERO doubt that @LvilleILL1 and many, many others know more about this team and its players than I do. Ethan Brown may be all that and a bag of chips, but I personally would prefer to not be in a position where we are depending on him. We are 1 freak injury in the backcourt from possibly being in that spot. I don’t like that.

Get a guy with some experience in here to bolster things. Keaton Wagler was 1 of 1. That likely will never happen again.

For a team with serious title aspirations, I want to count on as few freshmen as possible. No problem with Coleman and Morillo playing a lot. After that I want as many veterans as possible.

JMHO.
100%. All of this.
 
#653      
Don't blame Blackwell. Would be rough going from top 2 guard on Wisconsin to #5 guard behind Coleman/Vaaks/Brown/Morillo

ILL
Good Lord 😂

People still going on about this?

Folks I wasn't serious about this post on an Illinois basketball forum. It's clear we're out on him. Why not have some fun with it....

I take year 2 Andrej over year 1 Blackwell here. I really like the Coleman/Morillo/Brown trio as well.

ILL
 
#654      
Is Ty 100% gone? Or did he put his name in the portal to at least see what else is out there, and there's a non-zero chance he could return?

I actually think he would be exactly the type of veteran guard we could use. He's steady -- can defend, rebound, bring ball up the court as needed. Would give us a lot of insurance across 1-4 positions. And we know from a culture standpoint he's as good as anyone.
 
#656      
If Brandon Lee wasn't good enough to play as a freshman, then neither is Brown. Lee was the 99th OVR prospect and Brown is 118th.

Yes recruiting rankings DO matter. Plus, we're talking about freshman (this isn't 3 or 4 years down the line).

Keaton was the exception, not the rule.

Actually, Jakstys is more likely to see a rise in PT than Brown. Will be his 4th year in the program... and his rebound rate is terrific in the minimal time he's gotten - 17.5% OR and 22.5% DR. Seemed decently athletic as a lob threat.
Wagler was way down in the rankings. I think Brown will be in the rotation during the non conference as Brad will use 10 guys so we do not run into the mess we were in with only 6 or 7 guys. We will use our depth this coming year.
 
#657      
It is true Brown is more likely to play as a freshman than Lee.

It’s also true a big part of that is Brown won’t be having a top 5 pick playing 35 minutes infront of him.
Lee had Bam and Keaton in front of him.

Brown will have Vaaks and Coleman in front of him.

The point is both will have a path to be the FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH.

If Lee wasn't able to snag that role and get on the court - then I doubt Brown will be able to.

Once again, Keaton is the exception.
 
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#658      
If Brandon Lee wasn't good enough to play as a freshman, then neither is Brown. Lee was the 99th OVR prospect and Brown is 118th.

Yes recruiting rankings DO matter. Plus, we're talking about freshman (this isn't 3 or 4 years down the line).

Keaton was the exception, not the rule.

Actually, Jakstys is more likely to see a rise in PT than Brown. Will be his 4th year in the program... and his rebound rate is terrific in the minimal time he's gotten - 17.5% OR and 22.5% DR. Seemed decently athletic as a lob threat.
Slow down on the Blueguys
 
#659      
This is has very little depth, which is going to hurt us.
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#660      
Is Ty 100% gone? Or did he put his name in the portal to at least see what else is out there, and there's a non-zero chance he could return?

I actually think he would be exactly the type of veteran guard we could use. He's steady -- can defend, rebound, bring ball up the court as needed. Would give us a lot of insurance across 1-4 positions. And we know from a culture standpoint he's as good as anyone.
Was wondering this myself. I think it was said he had a spot if he wanted it. Obviously if we offer his spot first that would change. If we aren't going big and just getting an average end of the rotation guy as suggested today, would rather have the guy back who's played in big games and been with the team years even if he isnt the best fit to what we do now.
 
#661      
I doubt that any of our freshmen will be as good as Blackwell who will be a senior. They may be as good or better than him when they are seniors.

Wagler may have been our best freshman ever. If any of this year's freshmen are that good it will be awesome and shocking.
I'm just not sold on Mr Blackwell, gut feeling, just not the right fit at the right time. I don’t see him putting up numbers like he did at Wisconsin. Sometimes people blow up like Keaton, I forsee a blow down? Revisit this prediction in about 10 months
 
#662      
If Brandon Lee wasn't good enough to play as a freshman, then neither is Brown. Lee was the 99th OVR prospect and Brown is 118th.

Yes recruiting rankings DO matter. Plus, we're talking about freshman (this isn't 3 or 4 years down the line).

Keaton was the exception, not the rule.

Actually, Jakstys is more likely to see a rise in PT than Brown. Will be his 4th year in the program... and his rebound rate is terrific in the minimal time he's gotten - 17.5% OR and 22.5% DR. Seemed decently athletic as a lob threat.
Any player ranked within 20 spots either side of the top 100 is just as likely to play as the other. It comes down to if they can jump up to the d1 level and contribute on the floor. Lee struggled at times with the minutes he got especially on the offensive side. Besides Keaton, I believe Braden Smith was also ranked outside the top 100 and look how that turned out.
 
#664      
I just don’t buy the waiting until the summer thing. I will die on the hill screaming they need another guard. Badly.

Bring an experienced guy to solidify that spot. We are trying to win a national championship. In my opinion, you need experienced guards to do that.
IMO -- just someone to fill the role Harmon / DGL had would be wonderful.

(not necessarily asking for a John Blackwell)
 
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#665      
Lee had Bam and Keaton in front of him.

Brown will have Vaaks and Coleman in front of him.

The point is both will have a path to be the FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH.

If Lee wasn't able to snag that role and get on the court - then I doubt Brown will be able to.

Once again, Keaton is the exception.

I see this as a point in favor of the depth though?

With Morillo and Davis in the mix off the bench, that seems pretty solid to me.

@Altuve27 pointed out we’re one freak injury away from trouble at guard. Which I guess I’d argue, isn’t everyone?

I’m all for another guard btw. I’m just skeptical a veteran guard is coming here to be the 5-minute a game guy who can also be a good starter.
 
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#666      
Not according to the team's own roster.

4 Gs and at least 2 Fs that brought up the ball last year.
Fair enough. Vaaks is the only pure ball handler/facilitator with NCAA experience. Mirk can be a point-forward, preferably complimenting a guard. Stoj is great downhill rather than facilitating. Jake is great as a catch and shoot guy. Coleman and Morillo are highly touted for good reason but not yet proven.

To me, that's one proven primary ball handler and two promising ones. Not saying it won't work, just that it's a risk if there are injuries or someone doesn't pan out. I'd overpay for insurance this year
 
#668      
Was Brandon Lee pushed out by the staff to free up his scholarship (Like a former coach at Indiana was known for)? Or did he leave on his own as he thought he wasn't as good as the incoming freshmen and he didn't want to warm the bench? Seems strange that the portal is getting ready to close and then all of sudden he announces he is going to transfer. Why did he wait so long?
 
#672      
IMO -- just someone to fill the role Harmon / DGL had here would be wonderful.
That would be just fine. To be clear, we have guys that can bring the ball up and get us into actions. Hell, David did it a TON in East Lansing.

I just want as many experienced ballhandlers as humanly possible.

As @Fly Illini Fly! points out, there is a nice 20-25 minute role available.
 
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I doubt it would be 5 minutes. There's gonna be about 25 minutes available where one of Vaaks / Coleman are on the bench.

Harmon and DGL both played over 15 minutes in similar roles.

Sure. But Harmon and DGL were 2 of the top 3 reserve guards. And honestly once Domask blew up, Luke who was “the top guard” off the bench was as really mostly playing the 3. And Harmon minutes by end of year were significantly cut

Davis and Morillo are already the top two guards.
 
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