Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#276      
Any guess at what our pace will be next year?

Possessions per 40 by year:

2026 — 65.7 (somewhere between 306-312 nationally)
2025 — 72.4 (somewhere between 12-15 nationally)
2024 — 70.3 (75 or 76 nationally)
2023 — 69.6 (somewhere between 93-97)
2022 — 67.6 (somewhere between 199-207)
2021 — 71.0 (somewhere between 94-97)

Vaaks seems to play faster than Keaton. And assuming Drej starts, I’d guess we’d creep forward a touch.

Mid 200’s
 
#277      
Does anyone have a tool they use for the ncaa where they track lineup combinations?

I’d be curious how many minutes Jake and Andrej played together last year and it’s “effectiveness”. Also think for Brad’s positionless style, it would be an interesting tool to play around with
cbbanalytics. The free tier gives you access to stats for one team that you select.

Jake and Andrej played 282 minutes together and we were +16.8 in net rating (vs +22.3 for our entire team avg). Our ORTG was the same as our avg, but our defense was worse.
 
#278      
If Brad saw someone like that sub in vs us how long do think he puts in Mirk or Z to abuse them? Likely before he reaches the scorers table tp check in! Lol. If Tomi and or Mirk get in foul trouble themln i guess a healthy Jason will be in. I wish we would add a true 4 man to try and fill Bens role.

I mean its just not going to be that big of a deal... we can counter matchups with substitutions just like other teams do.
 
#280      
No one is saying he's a 30 Min/game PF. But he can give you "spot" minutes there as well as 1-3. If we need someone behind T, Z, and Mirk, he's it (as of now).

And not every opponent has a beastlie 6'9 PF to defend. Not even close.

He wasn't brought here "to back up Mirk." Next season, his likely role is to help out at spots 1-4 as needed. Likely as our 8th guy in the rotation if everyone ahead of him is healthy.
I dont think Morrillo will play the 4 in B10 for 5 minutes all season unless we have an injury. If so, thats scary to me.
 
#281      
You don't think Andrej didn't get promised a starting role in the post season negotiations? If he didn't, he probably wouldn't have stayed. He could have also got more money by leaving.
Insiders have said Brad does not give guaranteed starter promises.
 
#282      
The Davis vs Andrej thing is pretty simple. Yes, Davis started at the end of last year. No, Davis probably won't be starting next year. Andrej and Boswell couldn't really play at the same time at the end of last year. Boswell started, Andrej didn't.

Coleman is a true shooting guard (Boswell isn't). Coleman and Andrej should fit better together than end of year Andrej and Boswell.
Jeff Goldblum What GIF by First We Feast
 
#284      
I would still need neck length measurements before I'm satisfied with that.
Im blanking on the name but didn't we have a center or pf a bit after nick Smith with a very long neck or am I getting that confused with mike glennon
 
#285      
If the 5 for 5 rule passes, is there a possibility that Boswell comes back? Worth keeping 1 roster spot open for him or some other 5th year player? Many are hitting the portal in anticipation...
 
#286      
God why are so many of our fans so unable to realize there are hardly any teams ever that you walk into the next season completely knowing you are the top 1 or 2 team in the country. Like outside of maybe that Baylor team in 2020-2021 that returned everyone from the insane Covid team, it hasn’t happened recently. Michigan and zona were something like 7th and 12th to start last season.

This team has 3 guards that can be primary ball handlers if you believe in our teams talent evaluators (which you definitely should by now) - morillo, Coleman, and vaaks. Mirkovic who with the opportunity to actuallly have a summer to develop very well could/should be a top 10 player in the country. Shooters all over, size and rebounding all over spearheaded by the Ivisics, an ELITE driver/finisher and on ball defender with stojakovic, etc…. And most importantly we know this teams works well together. Wagler was amazing, but things at times could get stagnant with him. At the beginning of the year we saw this teams ability to move the ball and make sh** happen, which I fully expect this year.

At this point, other than maybe Florida and Duke, we are the safest bet to be elite next season out of all teams in the country.
 
#288      
I agree. But hey, I respect @wc_illini , he’s always got level headed and fair takes.

And reading all his previous posts, this seems mostly about depth, which if that’s the main point I think is entirely fair.

No shade, I just disagreed with that point. I enjoy bantering on lineups and roster build far more than adjustment talks anyway, these are all good and fun “problems”
Thanks for the kind words- I enjoy the conversations here with you as well.

The original post in this case was from wncillini though:
I personally ranked last year's team 4th since 88 89. You can quable about an exact number but 05 06 is somewhere around 6th 7th......this team is appearing to start at the 5th spot. Slightly worse then last year's. So closer to the 0506 team then the first spot. Only 2 guys who started the final four will be starting this year unless something changes I believe thats the same at 06.

If everyone plays to their max ability they can jump way up the list. A couple injuries and or underperfoming at the wrong spots they can drop off.
 
#291      
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But seriously, unless we're the clear preseason favorite (odds, not media), there's room for improvement. Whether anything can be done about it is another story.

The problem with a lot of these takes is that this is being presented to only be obtainable through the portal.

It’s like some are ignoring just how big of a bust Petro was in relation to expectations, while simultaneously ignoring that the room for (roster) improvement is already in the room.

Im giving these freshman all the minutes they can get.
The chances that a portal addition is a bust is at least equal to, if not greater at this point, than all of our freshmen are a bust.
 
#292      
The bar of dissatisfaction has been raised again. It wasn't all that long ago that a top 25 raking was a great season. Then they needed to finish 2rd or 3rd in the BT regular season with a semi final appearance in the the BT tourney to be considered enough. A Sweet 16 was mandatory as well.
Now, unless they win it all some fans will consider the season a failure. The team is required to have 15 lottery eligible players or the team has no depth whatsoever.
Then it will be “how can we be considered great if we don’t repeat!”

Underwood, lest we forget, has climbed the same mountain as Henson and Weber.

Sit down and enjoy the view. It’s pretty spectacular.
 
#293      
Some fans won't be happy until we have signed at least 7 lead guards, 3rd string 4s and 5s that would start on a lower-tier tournament team, and 17 wings that can shoot the three, guard, and drive it to the hoop.
This is a bit of a dramatic over exaggeration of concerns and criticisms some are bringing up; those which have some base in reality. Feels like pointing out weaknesses on the team is met with fire from those drinking koolaid
 
#294      
Any guess at what our pace will be next year?

Possessions per 40 by year:

2026 — 65.7 (somewhere between 306-312 nationally)
2025 — 72.4 (somewhere between 12-15 nationally)
2024 — 70.3 (75 or 76 nationally)
2023 — 69.6 (somewhere between 93-97)
2022 — 67.6 (somewhere between 199-207)
2021 — 71.0 (somewhere between 94-97)
High 60's. 26, 23 and 22 type pace.
 
#295      
The problem with a lot of these takes is that this is being presented to only be obtainable through the portal.

It’s like some are ignoring just how big of a bust Petro was in relation to expectations, while simultaneously ignoring that the room for (roster) improvement is already in the room.

Im giving these freshman all the minutes they can get.
The chances that a portal addition is a bust is at least equal to, if not greater at this point, than all of our freshmen are a bust.

It's why the LJ Cason example is interesting. Yes, it is true, Michigan had guard depth (although id argue if it was Cadeau who went down, the depth wouldn't matter) to survive the Cason injury.

But Cason averaged 12 minutes as a freshman, shooting 38% overall and 25% from 3. He had a flat assist to turnover ratio. Cason would be the guy a lot of the board would be saying we couldn't count on as a depth piece.
 
#296      
I mean its just not going to be that big of a deal... we can counter matchups with substitutions just like other teams do.
I guess you feel ok rolling the dice that no one gets hurt and not having a player similar to what Ben did last year is no big deal. That possibility of only 1 real experience back up worries me. Thats why Ben was important and adding someone like that would ease my concerns quite a bit considering how often Tomi and Z miss games. Hopefully Mirk wont either.
 
#297      
God why are so many of our fans so unable to realize there are hardly any teams ever that you walk into the next season completely knowing you are the top 1 or 2 team in the country. Like outside of maybe that Baylor team in 2020-2021 that returned everyone from the insane Covid team, it hasn’t happened recently. Michigan and zona were something like 7th and 12th to start last season.

This team has 3 guards that can be primary ball handlers if you believe in our teams talent evaluators (which you definitely should by now) - morillo, Coleman, and vaaks. Mirkovic who with the opportunity to actuallly have a summer to develop very well could/should be a top 10 player in the country. Shooters all over, size and rebounding all over spearheaded by the Ivisics, an ELITE driver/finisher and on ball defender with stojakovic, etc…. And most importantly we know this teams works well together. Wagler was amazing, but things at times could get stagnant with him. At the beginning of the year we saw this teams ability to move the ball and make sh** happen, which I fully expect this year.

At this point, other than maybe Florida and Duke, we are the safest bet to be elite next season out of all teams in the country.
I don’t see this team as being on par with Michigan last year. Sorry. But hey, they don’t have to be. They can get lucky with the tournament draw and make a deep run accordingly. And the competition is per the year you’re playing, not between seasons.

But also offense still is not the primary concern for most with the team as constructed. Defense will need a drastic improvement, while maintaining the offense close to what it was, before we entertain being lumped together with Florida and Duke. IMHO
 
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#298      
5 of our top 8 players are back from a final four team, we added the second highest ranked recruit in Illinois 247 era history, the 12th highest, and a top tier guard transfer that has an incredibly high ceiling.
Yes, we should all be jumping for joy! Our roster could look like LSU, or others...
 
#300      
We have only 1 experienced big man in Big Z to back up 2 positions. What if there foul trouble or god forbid an injury. Thats not the same thing as having 2 bodies. Big Z backing up the 5 and someone like Ben backing up the 4 and Z to help as needed. I just hope Tomi, Z or Mirk dont go down or miss nig games. If so then what? Thats a big part of roster construction that seems risky. I hope we add a big guy.
2024-25 we saw that a 3-man rotation at the 4-5 spot got thin in a hurry when Tomi was out for a few games and then Morez. I too would like to see a 4th big added. Insurance!
 
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