Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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gville90
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Illiniguy13
Combo said:
Not complaining about having us as a 2, but how TF does one put MSU as a 1?
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Big ole grain of salt with anything Lunardi says
 
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thefalcon5
This offseason (except for Duke) has shown being a blue blood is almost inconsequential. If your school has a good coach and a load of resources you have a chance at anything. The historical benefit of being a blue blood has very few ramifications on recruitments today.
 
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wc_illini
Illin618 said:
Maybe fourth in the big ten… Illinois is going to struggle to guard athletic, physical PG/SGs man…
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I think my response got lost, so I'll try again:

I see you got the gif treatment. I'll try to offer a strong counterpoint instead...

For championship odds, all six sportsbooks I checked have UM as the highest among B1G, then Illinois, then MSU. After that, there's a big gap and no consensus on who's next. Still got to play the games, but you're definitely going against the grain with that opinion.

On that note, sportsbooks seem to be converging on:
Tied 1-3: Duke, Florida, Michigan
(big gap)
4. Uconn
5. Illinois
6. Arizona
Closely bunched 7-10: MSU, Houston, Arkansas, Louisville
After that, probably Kansas and Texas, but lots of teams are close enough that there's more variation between the books
 
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ugottabjoshinme
Field of 68 rankings also has MSU over Illinois. I don't see it. 2nd year in a row they are going to lose top players and not replace them. They do have a good freshman class, but Izzo isn't known for relying on freshman.
 
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steelmen72
How do we think Adam Miller would have turned out if he had just stayed out here for his entire career? Better than Kylan? All-B1G caliber?
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You guys are giving Miller way too much credit for playing with two Illinois greats his freshman year. Miller could have been the man at LSU and Arizona State. He attended those schools for 4 years and only made the NCAA TOURNAMENT at LSU the year he redshirted because of an ACL. He have never been all-confernce 1st, 2nd or 3rd team. Through all of that Illinois was willing to bring him back for the 2025-26 season but he wanted more money. GOOD RIDDANCE. Now he wants another year in college. This is a sad and pitiful situation and he needs to go one with his life.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
STLini25 said:
You think QC will be better than 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and All Big Ten Defense?
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Honestly, how do you know that with his size/frame and a summer to body up, he's not a John Wall, one and done type? The answer is, you don't.

Keaton was great for us, but also had peaks and a couple of significant valleys. He had a stretch there where he was taking 17 shots to get 19 points, 15 shots for 17, etc. He also had issues finishing at the rim.

He is not being drafted highly because of the season he had in totality, he's being drafted by what teams think he can be and what they are projecting him to be three years from now. In no way is Keaton ready to go in and play day 1. He'd get physically humiliated.

That's the NBA draft nowadays. In what world should KJ have been drafted earlier than TSJ or Ayo? He was a walking turnover his freshman year, while TJ was arguably the most dominant player in college basketball. The problem with TJ was his age.

Youth and projection > experience and being a proven commodity.

So, with regards to college production, yes..... Keaton's production can be replaced. His upside.... probably not.
 
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ChiefGritty
thefalcon5 said:
This offseason (except for Duke) has shown being a blue blood is almost inconsequential. If your school has a good coach and a load of resources you have a chance at anything. The historical benefit of being a blue blood has very few ramifications on recruitments today.
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To toot my own horn a little bit, I was saying this about paying players over a decade ago.

Illinois' first five-star in a class has more value than Duke's fourth, and NIL allows that market to clear.

STLini25 said:
You think QC will be better than 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and All Big Ten Defense?
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I don't, but I think he'll shoot more efficiently, which will stretch defenses with him standing in the corner more than Boswell did.

I really appreciate the flexibility and selflessness with which Boswell took on multiple different roles in his time here, but Coleman as a freshman is better suited to just be a catch-and-shoot weapon that can attack an undisciplined closeout. If we put him in a position to play simple basketball I think he'll eat that up.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
wc_illini said:
I think my response got lost, so I'll try again:

I see you got the gif treatment. I'll try to offer a strong counterpoint instead...

For championship odds, all six sportsbooks I checked have UM as the highest among B1G, then Illinois, then MSU. After that, there's a big gap and no consensus on who's next. Still got to play the games, but you're definitely going against the grain with that opinion.

On that note, sportsbooks seem to be converging on:
Tied 1-3: Duke, Florida, Michigan
(big gap)
4. Uconn
5. Illinois
6. Arizona
Closely bunched 7-10: MSU, Houston, Arkansas, Louisville
After that, probably Kansas and Texas, but lots of teams are close enough that there's more variation between the books
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Is the assumption that Michigan is getting Mara and Morez back? That's awfully imposing if so. If not, they're a really good team, but not in that group of 3.

Florida, currently, is absolutely stacked and is easily the favorite.
 
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mysterio2525
lstewart53x3 said:
Torvik has it:

2 Michigan
7 Michigan St
8 Illinois
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this one is actually more material... at least compared to those other jabronis. torvik and kenpom do have issues with preseason rankings in general because of a lack of data but.... they both absolutely nailed Illinois last year being a top 6 team in the preseason when the polls had Illinois at 17.
 
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1m4tr
Joel Goodson said:
I agree that we're quite likely to get a Misko-special, but I wholly disagree that he's going to be a leftover
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I bet Misko and Brad have something worked out. I know we paid a pretty penny to get our guys to return but we still probably got a better deal than they’d have gotten on the open market. I’m sure Misko has a dollar amount in mind that he wants for this 14th member of Illinois and it’ll just be a negotiation on what player Brad wants. Maybe we get a better player on the condition to bring along a lesser player like Bilic for the last spot.

Any chance Indy that this is how it works?
 
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FrankNitty30
wncillini said:
Program is going in the right direction but still a lot of room for growth. Hard to compete yearly for championships if we can only max out at 1 top recruit per team before they bolt.
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But we “signed” way more than 1 recruit. We “signed” Vaaks, Stojakovic, Mirkovic, 2 Ivisii, Davis, Coleman and Morillo.

You forget that we “resigned” at minimum 3 top 20 portal guys in Mirk, Andrej and Tomi. Big Z may have been borderline top 20.

Also….. I will post this again. For all the hand wringing about a backup PG/facilitator….. this board continues to misunderstand the type of player Morillo is. He was a PG on all his teams. People want to keep sliding him to the “backup 4” spot which is something he has NEVER been, as opposed to realizing he has always been in on ball guard.

If you can wrap your brain around the above, which I have, the much more worrisome missing piece is a backup 4 that can defend.

We are going to be VERY GOOD next year!
 
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