Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Looks like Black will end up at Duke or Arkansas by my guesstimation. Those are two programs also looking at Brady Pettigrew. So wonder how all that plays. I would guess in our favor.

If I were to guess our biggest competitor for Brady's services at the moment would be an Arkansas. Brady likely needs to play as a point guard in the NBA.
Lot of moving parts because if Vaaks and Coleman returns for year 2 I'm not sure Brady figures into our plans any longer.
You can apply the logic in your second bolded to the schools you named in your first bolded.

What if Arkansas gets Black and returns Jeremiah Wilkerson?

What if Duke returns 2-3 out of Boozer / Blackwell / Rippey / Howard?

Also, Duke hasn’t even offered Pettigrew.
 
#252      
You can apply the logic in your second bolded to the schools you named in your first bolded.

What if Arkansas gets Black and returns Jeremiah Wilkerson?

What if Duke returns 2-3 out of Boozer / Blackwell / Rippey / Howard?

Also, Duke hasn’t even offered Pettigrew.
For sure I was just trying to build a conservative case to temper hopes. Will make a potential eventual commitment that much sweeter.
 
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I saw someone refer to Carmelo’s run in the tournament as “lucky” a couple of days ago lol.
Melo was the classic case of one super talented player going on a heater and carrying a team. They usually produce your worst champions.

2003 Syracuse (Melo)
2011 UConn (Kemba)
2014 UConn (Napier)

Those three teams are widely considered the worst champs of the century. It's hard to call them lucky, but more of an unrepeatable model.

Not all that unlike Danny Manning lead Kansas.
 
#255      
Melo was the classic case of one super talented player going on a heater and carrying a team. They usually produce your worst champions.

2003 Syracuse (Melo)
2011 UConn (Kemba)
2014 UConn (Napier)

Those three teams are widely considered the worst champs of the century. It's hard to call them lucky, but more of an unrepeatable model.

Not all that unlike Danny Manning lead Kansas.
Lots of champions have had a super talented player.

Florida, for example, had Walter Clayton Jr.

Villanova had Jalen Brunson (NPOY).
 
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Melo was the classic case of one super talented player going on a heater and carrying a team. They usually produce your worst champions.

2003 Syracuse (Melo)
2011 UConn (Kemba)
2014 UConn (Napier)

Those three teams are widely considered the worst champs of the century. It's hard to call them lucky, but more of an unrepeatable model.

Not all that unlike Danny Manning lead Kansas.
Quantify widely. Syracuse was 30-5 and also had Hakim Warrick (9 yrs in the NBA) and McNamara.
 
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Melo was the classic case of one super talented player going on a heater and carrying a team. They usually produce your worst champions.

2003 Syracuse (Melo)
2011 UConn (Kemba)
2014 UConn (Napier)

Those three teams are widely considered the worst champs of the century. It's hard to call them lucky, but more of an unrepeatable model.

Not all that unlike Danny Manning lead Kansas.
Danny Manning’s championship team was definitely lucky with so many higher seeds before them being upset.
 
#260      
Eh, Florida was a 1 seed. Brunson was a great 2 seed. Those were great "teams".

UConn was a 7 and 3 seed, Cuse was a 3 seed.
The 03 Syracuse team had Hakim Warwick too. He was the perfect compliment to Melo. He was great at all the things Melo wasn’t.
Dude spent a decade in the NBA.
Melo scored a lot of points, but he had help.
McNamara hit 6 3’s in the Final, & Warwick blocked the Kansas attempt to tie it at the buzzer.
 
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Melo was the classic case of one super talented player going on a heater and carrying a team. They usually produce your worst champions.

2003 Syracuse (Melo)
2011 UConn (Kemba)
2014 UConn (Napier)

Those three teams are widely considered the worst champs of the century. It's hard to call them lucky, but more of an unrepeatable model.

Not all that unlike Danny Manning lead Kansas.
A bit further back in time…but:
1989 Michigan (Rice)
 
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Wonder how much NIL that took.
No more than anywhere else. These guys that feel very strongly their NBA bound sooner rather than later might as well get every penny they can. Only 1 team can win a national title. Even if you go to the best team, theres no guarantee you win, so just get your money. College basketball has been turned into a professional business now.
 
#267      
Doesn't Syracuse hoops still play in a football stadium..."The Dome"?
 
#268      
No more than anywhere else. These guys that feel very strongly their NBA bound sooner rather than later might as well get every penny they can. Only 1 team can win a national title. Even if you go to the best team, theres no guarantee you win, so just get your money. College basketball has been turned into a professional business now.
You sort of contradicted yourself there.

If the money at SU wasn’t more why not go to a place with better coaching and chance to win while making the same money?

Perhaps you’re indirectly making a point that SU may help better showcase him for the NBA draft?
 
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Illinois has certainly done more with its talent post-COVID:

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#270      
This is not a “we didn’t want him anyway” post but of all the guys we’re getting on visits he was one I think the fit may not have been right. He’s a great talent and we would have been lucky to have him but an athletic wing that doesn’t really have an outside shot right now and just wants to get to the rim isn’t the prototype for this offense. I’m sure Tyler would have figured out how to utilize him but it wasn’t a must get IMO Pettigrew and Berrouet (sounds like he may recalls to ‘27) I am much more excited about their fit
 
#271      
You sort of contradicted yourself there.

If the money at SU wasn’t more why not go to a place with better coaching and chance to win while making the same money?

Perhaps you’re indirectly making a point that SU may help better showcase him for the NBA draft?
I think people are underestimating the importance of the fact that he is from New York. Yes, money typically is the biggest factor these days, but these decisions rarely only come down to just one thing and local ties do still carry some weight.
 
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Melo was the classic case of one super talented player going on a heater and carrying a team. They usually produce your worst champions.

2003 Syracuse (Melo)
2011 UConn (Kemba)
2014 UConn (Napier)

Those three teams are widely considered the worst champs of the century. It's hard to call them lucky, but more of an unrepeatable model.

Not all that unlike Danny Manning lead Kansas.
Considered by whom?
 
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I think people are underestimating the importance of the fact that he is from New York. Yes, money typically is the biggest factor these days, but these decisions rarely only come down to just one thing and local ties do still carry some weight.
He'a Bronx kid, Cuse's stomping ground. McNamara needed to make a splash and has apparently been in on Moussa for awhile.
 
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Considered by whom?
I don't think there is much debate about that considering the majority of the champs in this century were a 1 or 2 seed. Florida in 06 was a 3 and UConn in 23 was a 4 seed. Considering that Florida won every game by double digits except one game and UConn won every game by double digits although they didn't play a seed higher than a 3.

You could make an argument 03 Syracuse and 11 UConn were better than 23 UConn. I would say they were better. So maybe put 23 UConn behind those 2.

23 UConn
14 UConn
11 Uconn
03 Syracuse

Rank them how you want but I would consider those the "worst' champs of the century. 06 Florida were probably better than some of those 1 and 2 seed champs.
 
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