Maryland 91, Illinois 70 Postgame

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Just got around to watching the game this morning. Why in the hell did we not stick with the zone? It frustrated Queen and Reese. If they beat us on 3s then so be it, but that would be a hell of a lot better than seeing the two big guys feast all night. Bad loss and we’re not going to hear the end of it, but still a lot of season left and this team has the talent to do special things in March.
 
#352      
It sure looks like they were suffering the impacts of the flu bug, hopefully doesn't last long
 
#353      
It never seems to end. 2 steps forward, 3 steps back. Ugh!
 
#354      
KJ is a poor ball handler, turnover prone, struggles when pressured.
Will is just lost, very soft even weak physically. D1 opponents just manhandle him.
Tomi is not physical enough, goes long stretches where he just disappears.
Ben-is a no show most nights. I just don't know what he contributes period. Dra brings energy, hustles, he forces his way to basket, rebounds and Ben runs up and down the floor doing nothing.

The first point just no. NBA teams aren’t drooling over a of that can’t handle the rock. If anything he’s just soft with the basketball and tries to make things happen that aren’t there.

I don’t think will is lost. I think he’s tall but small. Needs Fletch time. But he’s gotta want to develop that. And we all know how 18 yos are.

Tomi isn’t a banger. Could he be? Maybe, but right now he’s a finesse big. And him disappearing I would expect is a direct correlation to our desire to spread the floor and shoot 3s. Someone alluded to it earlier that KB and KJ get tunnel vision. I would say the same for Tre at times. They have gone away from spreading the wealth and have taken on a get mine mentality.

Ben I think you nailed though. He goes on a heater and he’s great, but vast majority of the time he’s getting pushed around and is a liability defensively.

On another note. Someone else mentioned something about coaches turning over rosters year over year. I don’t believe it is the coaches on this. I wholeheartedly believe like many of you NIL is to blame. Guys aren’t in it for pride any longer. They are looking to get paid. If there was an endless supply of funds we wouldn’t have the turnover, but it isn’t that way and never will be. It will be an interesting case study to see how someone like Belichek handles things. I know it’s football, but he’s taking things and turning it into a pro sports team, per his own admission. Will be curious to see the success or failure of it
 
#355      
Ehhhh. I never felt ‘22-‘23 team had loads of talent. Enough to be better than they were, but no where near a really good team except maybe on paper. Did they have 3 B1G wins each by more than 30 points?
 
#356      
We had that at Northwestern and at home against USC.

How many more reality checks is it going to take for the message to sink in?
Maybe the entire season.. count how many 1rst year players we have, how many last night were still sick. I can go on but apparently you and others only look at the negative side of this situation and the team. So I will leave it there. Be a true fan and look at the entire situation not just your feelings.
 
#357      
The first point just no. NBA teams aren’t drooling over a of that can’t handle the rock. If anything he’s just soft with the basketball and tries to make things happen that aren’t there.

I don’t think will is lost. I think he’s tall but small. Needs Fletch time. But he’s gotta want to develop that. And we all know how 18 yos are.

Tomi isn’t a banger. Could he be? Maybe, but right now he’s a finesse big. And him disappearing I would expect is a direct correlation to our desire to spread the floor and shoot 3s. Someone alluded to it earlier that KB and KJ get tunnel vision. I would say the same for Tre at times. They have gone away from spreading the wealth and have taken on a get mine mentality.

Ben I think you nailed though. He goes on a heater and he’s great, but vast majority of the time he’s getting pushed around and is a liability defensively.

On another note. Someone else mentioned something about coaches turning over rosters year over year. I don’t believe it is the coaches on this. I wholeheartedly believe like many of you NIL is to blame. Guys aren’t in it for pride any longer. They are looking to get paid. If there was an endless supply of funds we wouldn’t have the turnover, but it isn’t that way and never will be. It will be an interesting case study to see how someone like Belichek handles things. I know it’s football, but he’s taking things and turning it into a pro sports team, per his own admission. Will be curious to see the success or failure of it
Great Post but you are talking to the wall here some people are hell bent on only being negative today.
 
#359      
Oh Yeah Wtf GIF by Manifest Destiny Down: SPACETIME
 
#360      
Great Danes are, well, Great! Sweet and goofy. Wonderful doggies. I know. Leave the ears alone, please. Thanks.
 
#361      
After wallowing all night and morning, time to put the orange-tinted glasses back on...

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Our upcoming schedule absolutely has run potential, and our toughest tests in those stretches are at home. Finishing out the season at 22-9 is absolutely attainable and depending on how we do in the B1G tourney, that could land us somewhere between a 3-5 seed. If we beat Duke, probably on the better end of that. The game last night doesn't change the fact that this roster probably has the most Championship potential based on talent out of any team in the B1G.
 
#362      
If, as some say, Coach has lost the "fire" how long will he remain coach at Illinois?
 
#363      
Is that necessarily a bad thing, though, the outward part, I mean? He was starting to get the Bo Pelini treatment for awhile there.
As I've said before, the Brad Underwood of the first few years was borderline nuts. I'm glad he has toned that part down. I don't think that being just this side of bonkers is good for anyone (see Hurley, Dan).

I hope he hasn't lost the fire that makes him a big part of who he is, but given what college basketball has become I can understand if he (and others) are feeling that way. The idea that any coach would feel like he has to essentially turn the entire team over in a single year is not a good situation to be in. Professional teams don't even have to deal with that.
 
#364      
l had the flu. No idea if it's the same strain going thru the team but when I had it, chills, bad headaches, low grade fever, body aches that kept you up all night and tired as all hell. Even as I began to get better, I had zero energy. Lasted about 4 days and then a couple to start feeling halfway normal. The worst part: it came back. Same as before.
And I had my flu shot.
 
#365      
Talking more in general …

Morez has the effort part figured out but it’s the fouling … He ain’t giving us double digits consistently either …

We need scoring off the bench and we don’t have it …
I've said this before, but my problem with Morez's fouls is that they are soft. 80% of his fouls are body contact where he holds his hands up afterwards trying to claim he was "straight up". Even if the majority of the time he his, he's still going to get whistled for those fouls. If they're going to call them anyway, make it a hard foul and avoid the And-1.
Morez is a beast. He should be striking Lucas Johnson level fear (frustration) into the hearts and minds of his opponents. Right now he's just a big guy to bounce off of, hit a layup, and shoot free throw.
 
#366      
Meh. Just a couple weeks ago, our insiders were saying Brad was built for the NIL/portal era. "He thrives!" "He loves building rosters year to year." "He came through the JUCO ranks. This is what he does."

Excuses, excuses! !!!!ing win these games you're supposed to win. Quit with the damn excuses. "The refs hate us!" "We're so darn sick!" "NIL has killed our team chemistry!" C'mon now. Enough.
 
#367      
Most of that is very good analysis. Their offense wasn't complicated, but our guards didn't fight through screens (part of that is Queen is ginormous!) and our "bigs" didn't hedge well. It takes both of those things to stop that high pick and roll and we never figured that out.

The part about Ben is misguided. You're asking a guy who is not a center or power forward to guard traditional centers who outweigh him by 30 lbs. That's a recipe for disaster. BH probably will never be a great defender, but the narrative of his defense is overblown. Especially in this case. He was usually in decent position last night, but he just got straight-up bullied all night. The guy that needed to be a lot better was MJ. He was the one that had to really step up and he was bad on D all night.
I agree with you on Ben being too small to defend the paint well. The other problem in my opinion is that he is to slow of foot to defend most forwards or guards that come his way.
 
#368      
As I've said before, the Brad Underwood of the first few years was borderline nuts. I'm glad he has toned that part down. I don't think that being just this side of bonkers is good for anyone (see Hurley, Dan).

I hope he hasn't lost the fire that makes him a big part of who he is, but given what college basketball has become I can understand if he (and others) are feeling that way. The idea that any coach would feel like he has to essentially turn the entire team over in a single year is not a good situation to be in. Professional teams don't even have to deal with that.
Yep... I also hope Brad hasn't checked out. Watching the game last night I kept waiting for him to let out all of his frustration on one of the refs after one of their "questionable" calls...maybe get strategically T'd up to get his point across, breathe some life into his team, and get the crowd going. But all I saw was a guy who seemed disinterested and resigned to the fact that we were gonna lose. I honestly felt like I was more pissed off that Brad was.
 
#371      
6-28 on 3's. This has happened repeatedly throughout the season. We have one good arc game here and there but more often than not we don't and make things more difficult. If you can't make them perhaps stop shooting them? Seems logical to me.
Totally agree.
 
#373      
We know we are a young team with high volatility. We played a stretch of 4 or 5 games where we looked unstoppable. But had a few externally driven things to disrupt that momentum and have never really stabilized.

KB, Tre White are a big part of that instability during this stretch.

We were dealt a huge blow the last two games.

Coaching didn’t adapt. Just like we NEVER adapted with Ayo, Kofi, and, partially with TSJ (Domask was a godsend). Those guys were dominant to win yet we didn’t have answers in games that limited our one star player.

Last night was an example with KJ being limited.

Where do we go from here? More of the same?
 
#374      
I’ll say it.

I don’t see how KJ is a top 5 pick while TSJ sits in the G-League.

Age, potential, sure…I get that. But one guy was a dog / competitor and the other is very laissez faire all too often.
Totally agree. I said this elsewhere. He is going to see men every night, who are just as tall, quick and stronger than he is.
 
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