Michigan 13, Western Michigan 12

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Roundball Sage
madillini4 said:
Probably the worst look for the big ten conference in my life time.
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If there had any doubt that rigging goes on in College Sports (and by this time there shouldn’t have been) then this horrendous theft of a courageous Western Michigan victory will end all that doubt forever.

Let them come out with their lame excuses and pathetic false justifications. Any fair and honest looking pairs of eyes could see what went on there.

The World knows who really won that game. Western Michigan went into hostile territory and soundly beat the heavily-favored home team all night long – including any phantom last second that only exists in the minds of those concerned with protecting a pathetic and needy-looking program of privilege that apparently could not win the game on the field and needed help from higher-ups concerned about future ratings and Conference National standing and ego.

In being handed this 'win' on a rigged-platter... Michigan became the biggest losers in the Land. If they had any pride (which they don’t) they would simply surrender this win back to Western Michigan who earned it and where it rightfully belongs. But The Maize has no such pride. All they have are sheepish grins from knowing They just stole a game right in front of the entire Nation. And nobody is going to do anything about it.

The Loser became the Winner. The Winner became the Loser.

And a needy and privileged College program just lost even more of its pride and self-respect. Take the Win and the shame that goes with it.

And maybe it's time for the Illini to start to go shopping for a Conference that might still have a shred of integrity left in it. The Illini don't need stench like this.
 
#202      
Curbelo Fanboy
For the lawyers out there. Question. With the massive increase in sports betting could not one of these heinous results rise to the level of a class action civil case against the conference or something. A person that had significant cash on WMU literally got robbed as if someone held them up at gunpoint almost. They at least have a legitimate loss.

There is soooo much legal regulated gambling now that I would not be surprised to see someone try to pursue a case when it is soooo obvious what happened. No clue if it could win or not.
 
#204      
madillini4
Roundball Sage said:
If there had any doubt that rigging goes on in College Sports (and by this time there shouldn’t have been) then this horrendous theft of a courageous Western Michigan victory will end all that doubt forever.

Let them come out with their lame excuses and pathetic false justifications. Any fair and honest looking pairs of eyes could see what went on there.

The World knows who really won that game. Western Michigan went into hostile territory and soundly beat the heavily-favored home team all night long – including any phantom last second that only exists in the minds of those concerned with protecting a pathetic and needy-looking program of privilege that apparently could not win the game on the field and needed help from higher-ups concerned about future ratings and Conference National standing and ego.

In being handed this 'win' on a rigged-platter... Michigan became the biggest losers in the Land. If they had any pride (which they don’t) they would simply surrender this win back to Western Michigan who earned it and where it rightfully belongs. But The Maize has no such pride. All they have are sheepish grins from knowing They just stole a game right in front of the entire Nation. And nobody is going to do anything about it.

The Loser became the Winner. The Winner became the Loser.

And a needy and privileged College program just lost even more of its pride and self-respect. Take the Win and the shame that goes with it.

And maybe it's time for the Illini to start to go shopping for a Conference that might still have a shred of integrity left in it. The Illini don't need stench like this.
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I get you’re upset, and I’m upset as well, but the Big Ten is the most prestigious conference across the board by far. There is no chance they ever consider leaving it, nor should they.
 
#205      
Retro62
I love how the announcers drooled over Underwood like he was a demigod who made a throw no one else in college ball can throw, when Hauser just did it from farther away two days before.
 
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SuperintendentChalmers
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sbillini
Fly Illini Fly! said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2096462444453359953
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So I’m honestly trying to understand this.

1) during the broadcast of the last play, they didn’t show the clock in the bottom ribbon like usual. It specifically looked like a direct view of the stadium clock. Was that not the case? Because on that feed it obviously looked like zeros. If it wasn’t a direct feed, do we have any shots of both the stadium clock and the play itself in the same view? Or at least truly and verifiably synced? Looking at the replay posted by rittenberg, it looks like the replay officials are legitimately making the right call.

2. Related to this, is this why it often seems like teams get away with about an extra second on the play clock and delay of games aren’t sometimes called when it looks like they should be? I always thought it was refs inability to look at both the game and the clock at the same time so it causes a bit of an unavoidable delay. But maybe the clock on the broadcast is indeed a bit off?

I’m just trying to legitimately understand this instead of just dusting off my pitchfork without doing some homework
 
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TheChief4Life
sbillini said:
So I’m honestly trying to understand this.

1) during the broadcast of the last play, they didn’t show the clock in the bottom ribbon like usual. It specifically looked like a direct view of the stadium clock. Was that not the case? Because on that feed it obviously looked like zeros. If it wasn’t a direct feed, do we have any shots of both the stadium clock and the play itself in the same view? Or at least truly and verifiably synced? Looking at the replay posted by rittenberg, it looks like the replay officials are legitimately making the right call.

2. Related to this, is this why it often seems like teams get away with about an extra second on the play clock and delay of games aren’t sometimes called when it looks like they should be? I always thought it was refs inability to look at both the game and the clock at the same time so it causes a bit of an unavoidable delay. But maybe the clock on the broadcast is indeed a bit off?

I’m just trying to legitimately understand this instead of just dusting off my pitchfork without doing some homework
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Regarding #2: this has always been a case of the ref responsible for looking at the play clock then looks to see if the ball has been snapped. This does buy the offense maybe half a second more. Happens in the stadium, too. It's not a TV/Stadium clock sync issue. Been known and accepted as reality for ever.
 
#216      
Bucktown
Saturdaze said:
The video link in that is awesome! Thanks for sharing.

I didn’t turn on the game until after the !!!! show. Is it true the refs deliberately put 9 seconds on the clock the play before? If so that means, that the clock should be 9.0 seconds.

You’ll see the NBC clock instantly go from 0:09 to 0:08 when the ball is snapped. This leads me to believe the NBC clock is truncating the decimal, and when it shows 0:00 it’s actually 0:00.9

If the refs didn’t deliberately set the clock to 9.0 the play before then the only other way we’d have that instant transition from 0:09 to 0:08 when the ball is snapped is if the tv clock rounded per standard rounding rules, with the clock starting at 0:08.5 but shown as 0:09 on TV. This scenario would technically mean 0.4 seconds remained when the TV clock read 0:00.

I hate to say it but I think technically BIG got this right. To corroborate running my phone stopwatch against the video and game clock seems to agree the play was less than 9 seconds but obviously that method has a lot of uncertainty.

This is an example of when sport clocks are accumulating they should always round down, and when counting down should always round up.

Edit: if you’re watching the video @dsg linked then the PGM view is good for TV clock, and ISO Cam 4 good for timing the play with a stopwatch or general viewing.

Edit 2: I’m curious how NBC shows the 1st second tick off at the start of the quarter but can’t find a video online.
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Agree. Probably the right call. However, there are dozens of calls throughout that game that don't get reviewed. It would be interesting to hear the full audio from the time the play ended. No one watching or in the stadium thought there was any question that that game was anything but over. Yet, they chose to review it; pretty quickly.
 
#219      
sbillini
TheChief4Life said:
Regarding #2: this has always been a case of the ref responsible for looking at the play clock then looks to see if the ball has been snapped. This does buy the offense maybe half a second more. Happens in the stadium, too. It's not a TV/Stadium clock sync issue. Been known and accepted as reality for ever.
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Ok noted. Thank you.

Then going back to the first question then, is the clock shown in that play (which wasn’t the ribbon graphic clock) truly the stadium clock or nbc trying to sync and potentially not doing so correctly? Texas a&m forums have an interesting discussion going on about this as well

https://twitter.com/x/status/2096467030283288856
 
#220      
Oracle21
I think the Refs got it right. If everyone agrees that there was 9 seconds on the playclock, then even just using your own stopwatch at game speed from snap of the ball to the end of the play took less than 9 seconds so there would be time left on the clock.

Maybe football clock should go to decimals. There’s be less confusion although this particular play was very rare
 
#224      
Mr. Roberts
They still have to play Oklahoma, Iowa, PSU, IU, Oregon and O$U, so, God willing, all that play will probably mean in the end is they might make the Pinstripe Bowl.
 
#225      
sbillini
Oracle21 said:
I think the Refs got it right. If everyone agrees that there was 9 seconds on the playclock, then even just using your own stopwatch at game speed from snap of the ball to the end of the play took less than 9 seconds so there would be time left on the clock.

Maybe football clock should go to decimals. There’s be less confusion although this particular play was very rare
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That’s exactly the conversation going on at the Texas a&m forums. I haven’t done it myself but people are saying that if you agree that there are 9seconds and you time the play yourself, the play itself doesn’t take 9 full seconds. And apparently ncaa rules stipulate that even if there’s 0.1seconds in the clock, that round to 1 second
 
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