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<blockquote data-quote="Obelix" data-source="post: 1175947" data-attributes="member: 7292"><p>Again, you can read my prior response to you. I specifically, mentioned "reference" not "comparison," which is still irrelevant. The issue with Groce is not this game, or this season with injuries, but rather that this is a third year with not making the tournament (unless a miracle) and 4 years without being able to address huge recruiting gaps at PG/C with a single top-100 HS recruit. You think that if Groce had great performances (like Izzo or anyone else) in prior years and did not have the major recruiting gaps 4 years in a row that it would be the same? We would not even be discussing this. I think Groce survives 2016, but I am not kidding myself that we have a very strong foundation, especially in recruiting key positions, moving forward. And the problem is not Michigan today or just this season with injuries. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think Paul is straightly on Groce. When you give a troubled player 4 chances to mess up, before kicking him out, you can't use it as an excuse. </p><p></p><p>But it is a bigger problem that we conveniently include Khalid Lewis in our top 8 players, when the predominant excuse was that even Tate was a lot better (during Tate's injury). For the record, our top 8 are Abrams, JCL, Nunn, Hill, Finke, Black, Thorne, and Mav. You can even argue Tate over Lewis as well as AJ and DJW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Obelix, post: 1175947, member: 7292"] Again, you can read my prior response to you. I specifically, mentioned "reference" not "comparison," which is still irrelevant. The issue with Groce is not this game, or this season with injuries, but rather that this is a third year with not making the tournament (unless a miracle) and 4 years without being able to address huge recruiting gaps at PG/C with a single top-100 HS recruit. You think that if Groce had great performances (like Izzo or anyone else) in prior years and did not have the major recruiting gaps 4 years in a row that it would be the same? We would not even be discussing this. I think Groce survives 2016, but I am not kidding myself that we have a very strong foundation, especially in recruiting key positions, moving forward. And the problem is not Michigan today or just this season with injuries. I think Paul is straightly on Groce. When you give a troubled player 4 chances to mess up, before kicking him out, you can't use it as an excuse. But it is a bigger problem that we conveniently include Khalid Lewis in our top 8 players, when the predominant excuse was that even Tate was a lot better (during Tate's injury). For the record, our top 8 are Abrams, JCL, Nunn, Hill, Finke, Black, Thorne, and Mav. You can even argue Tate over Lewis as well as AJ and DJW. [/QUOTE]
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