biglug58
- Chicago, IL
I’ve gotten over the game, but first 4 fouls make me furious again
Michigan State 80, Illinois 78 Postgame
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I don't want the benefit of even 1 single questionable call from the refs in this game. I hope that we so completely annihilate the spurtans that there's absolutely nothing the refs can do to influence this game in any way.
I gotta hand it to them on that fifth one. Go around the screen, then when you've got your defender behind you, hit the brakes so he runs into you. You can tell it was designed: the ball handler looked back to make sure KJ was coming before he hit the brakes. Same school as getting your defender to jump on a three- pointer, but I've never seen this one before (or at least never realized what was being done.)
ginabackes00
CrazedUIFan
If you only look at these in a bubble, you could see maybe three are fouls, but when you take them in the context of the game; it's complete bs. At least be consistentI’ve gotten over the game, but first 4 fouls make me furious again
He could have gone nuts, but I'm sure that he realizes that if we don't shoot 17-27 from the foul line......we win. If we don't shoot 20% from three....we win. If we don't turn the ball over and make bad decisions late....we win.
There plenty of practice and coaching to be done before worrying about the referees. It's a game that even without KJ, was there to be won. Would it have been easier with KJ? Obviously. Should they have won regardless of his foul trouble? Absolutely.
There's plenty of finger pointing to go around at the guys in orange versus focusing on the stripes.
There plenty of practice and coaching to be done before worrying about the referees. It's a game that even without KJ, was there to be won. Would it have been easier with KJ? Obviously. Should they have won regardless of his foul trouble? Absolutely.
There's plenty of finger pointing to go around at the guys in orange versus focusing on the stripes.
I'll go full tin foil hat here.
I just don't believe it's a coincidence that the four phantom fouls the refs decided to call today just so happened to be against our lottery pick All American. Like, bad calls happen, especially in the B1G. But what are the odds that FOUR get called against our best player? And not only that, every foul occurred virtually as soon as he entered the game. It's almost like they were actively looking for opportunities to call fouls on him.
I'm surprised more hasn't been made of his first foul. At the time, I jokingly told my buddy it was the latest whistle in all cbb history. In hindsight, after seeing how the game played out, it looks like the officials momentarily forgot the assignment and, well after the play was over remembered, "Oh, s#!t, I'm supposed to call fouls on 32."
The real question is, who are the officials serving?
To me, the first 4 fouls were play on, incidental contact where the offensive player was out of control - the fifth foul was a foul.
That reminds me, wasn't there a rumor that there is some kind of major college basketball FBI investigation happening right now?
The third foul was a foul. KJ extended his leg and then there was contact.
Second and fourth fouls were gross. First one there was a little contact but the whistle was so late it was like they waited to see the outcome of the shot.
Second and fourth fouls were gross. First one there was a little contact but the whistle was so late it was like they waited to see the outcome of the shot.
I didn't get a chance to see the game today, but this is a joke. Maybe the 1st one was a foul, it would have been ticky tack, but you see those get called. The rest where absolute jokes.
KJ was +5 in 9 minutes. It’s reasonable to think we win by 15-20 if he plays regular minutes. Revenge 02/15.
My guess is that Izzo was talking to the refs even before tip off. Was probably telling them to watch for this and that related to KJ, then went full blown circus monkey on the sideline when he *thought* he saw anything resembling a foul from KJ. If you noticed, two of the whistles were really late. I'm assuming because they reacted to Izzo's antics.
blackdog
- Champaign
1 3 and 5 are all fouls. 3 is a tough one but his foot moved in front of Fears and caused him to trip. 2 was the lightest of contact that made no difference and should never be called in any context. 4 is so bad I want to pull my hair out.
sacraig
- The desert
Don't besmirch the name of Ed Hightower!
pass over the backboard? Interesting question.
sacraig
- The desert
To be fair, Party had at least a reasonable role is most of those things. Just not the ticky tack against KJ, which makes a world of difference. And obviously we had an off day at the charity stripe, which could have put us over the edge, too.
Would start looking for the answer in the B10 staff directory. To start, did Terry Wymer generally engender confidence in IL fans back when he was an official? If you have followed long enough you know.
5 for sure. 3 and 1, yes but we certainly see more contact than that go uncalled all the time. Just seemed like they were keyed in on KJ.
My rational self doesn't really believe the game was fixed. But I absolutely buy what @BoiseBaller just said - that the refs were told to keep an eye on KJ (as far as I know, all coaches have these types of convos with the refs to some degree) but because Izzo is Izzo, the refs honored his wishes more than they probably do for most coaches.
All good. We're not out of anything yet.
I agree with all the comments about the foul calling especially on 4 of the ones called on KJ.
But, I think the first one was a foul and it was 30 secs into the game. Can’t get one 30 secs into the game no matter what. If he doesn’t get that cheap one so early he probably plays the majority of the half.
But, I think the first one was a foul and it was 30 secs into the game. Can’t get one 30 secs into the game no matter what. If he doesn’t get that cheap one so early he probably plays the majority of the half.
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