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🚨🚨 this is not normal! Is this a top 5-10 throw of all time? I can't stop watching it. It was almost nonchalant. Insane work Ronald.

Throw was incredible - but it’s take two to tango on a play like that. Absolutely horrible baserunning and effort by the Yankee.

Think Boone called him out after the game as well.
 
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Throw was incredible - but it’s take two to tango on a play like that. Absolutely horrible baserunning and effort by the Yankee.

Think Boone called him out after the game as well.

Right. Great throw but the Yankees guy was dogging it into third. If he hustles, he’s in.
 
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MLB is calling up its first female umpire

I put a post in the Cardinal page. As an afterthought it probably merits it's own thread. I am sure Dan has room. ;)


There have been so many horrible male umps I am glad we will start to see women in "Blue". The first ones through the door are going to have a chip on their shoulders and want to show the world they belong. That eaned everything they are "given" so to speak. I think it is a better option than the robo ump that is on the horizon.
 
#32      
MLB is calling up its first female umpire

I put a post in the Cardinal page. As an afterthought it probably merits it's own thread. I am sure Dan has room. ;)


There have been so many horrible male umps I am glad we will start to see women in "Blue". The first ones through the door are going to have a chip on their shoulders and want to show the world they belong. That eaned everything they are "given" so to speak. I think it is a better option than the robo ump that is on the horizon.
Why would a woman making the same mistakes as a man, be any sort of improvement?

I'm on team computer ump
 
#33      
Why would a woman making the same mistakes as a man, be any sort of improvement?

I'm on team computer ump
I don't think they will make as many mistakes as some of the current umps. Will they make mistakes? Of course. Will the robo make mistakes? Probably. The reason I say the women will be a better option is it keeps the human interest factor involved while elevating the quality.
 
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I don't think they will make as many mistakes as some of the current umps. Will they make mistakes? Of course. Will the robo make mistakes? Probably. The reason I say the women will be a better option is it keeps the human interest factor involved while elevating the quality.
I have never understood the desire to have humans involved in making incorrect ball and strike calls. Let the players decide the game, not the official.

The argument I have heard the most is "it has always been done that way." That is a poor argument.

Hitters will be better when they know exactly where the strike zone is every time. There won't be controversial balls or strikes called to RUIN games. Pitchers will get the strikes that paint the corners, so they could be more effective as well.
 
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I have never understood the desire to have humans involved in making incorrect ball and strike calls. Let the players decide the game, not the official.

The argument I have heard the most is "it has always been done that way." That is a poor argument.

Hitters will be better when they know exactly where the strike zone is every time. There won't be controversial balls or strikes called to RUIN games. Pitchers will get the strikes that paint the corners, so they could be more effective as well.

Clearly the powers that be in the corridors of the MLB offices want the human factor still. Fans love yelling at the umps and complaining about them. I m sure they welcome almost every form of interaction they can get. If they had wanted the robo umps they could have started the process 10 years ago.
Allowing female umps simply means the talent pool has expanded. It raises the floor. That can't be all that bad. It's a transitional period before they finally move to robo calls.
 
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If they had wanted the robo umps they could have started the process 10 years ago.
I'm guessing the umpires union has been at least partly the reason this process hasn't started 10 years ago.
 
#38      
I'm guessing the umpires union has been at least partly the reason this process hasn't started 10 years ago.
I know it has. However the ump union has been pretty weak for the past 30 or 40 years. At least compared to the PA.
 
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Robo umps are going to happen eventually, but it won't end controversy. Take a look at tennis, where line calling has been automated at many tournaments, including Wimbledon, and they still have occasional problems. In addition, these systems need constant calibration and it's really debatable whether they're being calibrated sufficiently. But to me that's not even the worst of it. The craziest thing to me about the Hawk-Eye system widely used in tennis is that it doesn't actually record where the ball lands. Instead, it tracks and calculates the trajectory of the ball and predicts where the ball will land. This prediction is supposed to be extremely accurate (if calibrated correctly), but it still kind of irks me that line calls are not being made on an actual view of where the ball actually lands. So when robo umps start calling balls and strikes it'll be important to know what exactly the calls are based on.

So anyways, TLDR, robo umps will not necessarily prevent bad calls and will almost surely not prevent fans from complaining. It will very likely change the nature of those complaints, though.
 
#41      
Robo umps are going to happen eventually, but it won't end controversy. Take a look at tennis, where line calling has been automated at many tournaments, including Wimbledon, and they still have occasional problems. In addition, these systems need constant calibration and it's really debatable whether they're being calibrated sufficiently. But to me that's not even the worst of it. The craziest thing to me about the Hawk-Eye system widely used in tennis is that it doesn't actually record where the ball lands. Instead, it tracks and calculates the trajectory of the ball and predicts where the ball will land. This prediction is supposed to be extremely accurate (if calibrated correctly), but it still kind of irks me that line calls are not being made on an actual view of where the ball actually lands. So when robo umps start calling balls and strikes it'll be important to know what exactly the calls are based on.

So anyways, TLDR, robo umps will not necessarily prevent bad calls and will almost surely not prevent fans from complaining. It will very likely change the nature of those complaints, though.
Robo umps, whether calibrated correctly or not, should be much more consistent. That is all MLB players want is consistency. If you know where the strike zone will be, then they will adjust to that.

Humans will fluctuate throughout a game. Whether due to fatigue, energy of the crowd, or a bad day. Robots will not have that issue.

 
#42      
Robo umps, whether calibrated correctly or not, should be much more consistent. That is all MLB players want is consistency. If you know where the strike zone will be, then they will adjust to that.

Humans will fluctuate throughout a game. Whether due to fatigue, energy of the crowd, or a bad day. Robots will not have that issue.

According to this article the system used is the same Hawk-Eye system used in tennis. I'd be interested to see what data the system uses in baseball and what it does with it. Like I said before, in tennis the system takes the ball's trajectory and predicts where it will land. So will this take the trajectory of the pitch and predict where it crosses the plate, or will it actually use an image of the ball at the point it crosses the plate, to determine whether it is a ball or strike? I kind of think that's a critical question.

Also, these things don't prevent user-error and have issues of their own:


And as far as consistency, I've read that because the Hawk Eye system requires multiple camera angles to have a good view of the pitch, things like changes in shadow and brightness of the sunlight, could require the cameras to be recalibrated. This might mean that to maintain consistency, you'd need to recalibrate the cameras multiple times within the same game (in tennis this issue comes up with the use of Hawk Eye on clay, where the lines and markings on the court change frequently, requiring more frequent calibration). Otherwise, you might not actually get the consistency you crave. So in fact, robots do have the fluctuation issue because the inputs into the camera do fluctuate throughout the day.

I'm all for robo umps and do think they are the future, but we also need to be honest about their abilities and limitations. None of these systems that exist is perfect and from what I've read Hawk-Eye, which seems to be gaining the most traction, is not the best system available (but seems to be preferred because it does not require as many cameras as some of the competitors).
 
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Thought I would start a thread to discuss the playoffs in general....if anyone cares

I never seen such poor hitting with RISP across the board....dominant pitching
 
#49      
I hate the Dodgers. Before inter-league play I would have never in a hundred years considered supporting an American league team.
 
#50      
If the Guardians go back to being Indians (must have Chief Wahoo as logo), then I will root for them again. Maybe.
 
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