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Oracle21
wettsten said:
someone on here theorized (and i agree) that we shouldn't compare the money from the first nba year against a possible extra year in college with nil. age makes a big difference for the nba so waiting a year makes you one year older when it comes to successive contracts so really waiting a year in college should be compared to the end of the nba career.

it was said much better than i can remember.
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Exactly. His last year in the NBA will be paying him more than any NIL deal could, so going to the league as soon as you can is always the best option.

I look at it as playing an additional year college is one less year of an NBA career. NBA pays more. The only guys that should come back are the players not guaranteed a 1st round draft slot that comes with a full guarabteed contract
 
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2qtslow
Oracle21 said:
Exactly. His last year in the NBA will be paying him more than any NIL deal could, so going to the league as soon as you can is always the best option.

I look at it as playing an additional year college is one less year of an NBA career. NBA pays more. The only guys that should come back are the players not guaranteed a 1st round draft slot that comes with a full guarabteed contract
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I don't want to go a lot further down this road, because I am fully aware that what I want to happen is not very likely.

Still, getting to the is only the best option if money is the only thing that matters. It does not cost me a dime to hope that Wagler has other priorities.
 
#79      
SescIllini
I thought it was better for Will to return to college for several reasons. One being his longterm development that would suit him better in the NBA and Life. With NIL and a higher draft position he could have likely earned that money back.

Think of Ayo vs. Horton-Tucker. HT left for college early and got s nice post rookie contract, but now is out of NBA. Ayo looks to be hitting his stride and should be receiving a payout in the neighborhood of $16 Million/4 year.
 
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ChiefGritty
Hingle McCringleberry said:
So Will Riley signed a 4 year, $17.3M rookie contract that pays him $3.5M this year and has $7.2M guaranteed as the 21st player selected in last years NBA draft.

With him seeing way more time in the G-league, wondering if prospects are starting to think that unless you are a sure fire lottery pick, it would make more financial sense to come back to college (transfer if necessary), get paid about the same (or potentially more) than year 1 of an NBA deal, then get drafted higher up with a much more lucrative NBA deal.
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For one thing Riley has played 5 G-League games and 40 NBA games this year.
 
#81      
skyIdub
Guys there is a world where Wagler continues this epic run to 1st team AA and NPOY, and the #1 pick in the draft.
It's not likely he passes Boozer, but it's not a ridiculous thought anymore.
 
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mysterio2525
skyIdub said:
Guys there is a world where Wagler continues this epic run to 1st team AA and NPOY, and the #1 pick in the draft.
It's not likely he passes Boozer, but it's not a ridiculous thought anymore.
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I don't think he has the above the rim athleticism to break into the top 3. he certainly can be the best player in college this year (he's pretty much there now and only behind boozer) but I think 4 is his NBA draft ceiling this year. it's his that crazy of a class
 
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skyIdub
mysterio2525 said:
I don't think he has the above the rim athleticism to break into the top 3. he certainly can be the best player in college this year (he's pretty much there now and only behind boozer) but I think 4 is his NBA draft ceiling this year. it's his that crazy of a class
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Right....but in 2 to 3 years he will. And as I said it would have to be an epic run to get him past Boozer and Dybansta.
 
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stevej64
I didn't realize that Minnesota offered more. Glad that he chose the Illini instead. Must have thought that he would rather be an Illini than a Gopher.
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It was the Minnesota coach who was fired. Was not the current coach. And nobody knows what was offered. 3 star kids with only one other offer don’t generally get in bidding wars.
 
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mysterio2525
skyIdub said:
Right....but in 2 to 3 years he will. And as I said it would have to be an epic run to get him past Boozer and Dybansta.
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I'm sure he will develop a lot and easily get stronger and better handles but I'm not sure above the rim hops is something he will develop. it's not like he is dunking over people now. he doesn't need it be an all star in the NBA but it's a factor in the draft evaluation

that being said his value is in his IQ, pace, decision making, shooting, shot selection, passing, positional size and just being a winner! that's why he will go top 6 imo for sure in possibly the greatest draft class in 20 years
 
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DReq
If I were deciding between Boozer and Wagler for the NBA it appears to me that Boozer has shown most of what he is going to have. He is a great college player and is built for the NBA. I just think he has developed most of what he has - which is plenty for a good NBA career. Wagler still has a good deal of development to go. I think he can add strength to his frame pretty easily and he is going to continue to soak up skills and decision making. I think he is not as sure a bet to make a splash immediately in the NBA as Boozer but has a very h high ceiling in the NBA. A team that wants immediate production at a high level might choose Boozer but one looking longer term might look at Wagler to grow into a star. It is a pretty close call. I haven't seen enough of Dybantsa to make that comparison for him but Boozer just shows that there might be a pretty heavy benefit to have an NBA dad and an NBA body at a young age.

Either way Wagler is going to get a pretty sweet contract that will dwarf his NIL agreement. It is pretty nice to see more Illini populating the NBA.
 
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skyIdub
DReq said:
If I were deciding between Boozer and Wagler for the NBA it appears to me that Boozer has shown most of what he is going to have. He is a great college player and is built for the NBA. I just think he has developed most of what he has - which is plenty for a good NBA career. Wagler still has a good deal of development to go. I think he can add strength to his frame pretty easily and he is going to continue to soak up skills and decision making. I think he is not as sure a bet to make a splash immediately in the NBA as Boozer but has a very h high ceiling in the NBA. A team that wants immediate production at a high level might choose Boozer but one looking longer term might look at Wagler to grow into a star. It is a pretty close call. I haven't seen enough of Dybantsa to make that comparison for him but Boozer just shows that there might be a pretty heavy benefit to have an NBA dad and an NBA body at a young age.

Either way Wagler is going to get a pretty sweet contract that will dwarf his NIL agreement. It is pretty nice to see more Illini populating the NBA.
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An 18 year old can add 8-12 inches to their vertical with proper training.
Wagler will easily add 20+lbs in two years.

Keaton Wagler at 190-210 with an extra 10” to his vertical is not Michael Jordan or Kobe, but he’s an absolute monster.
 
#89      
seaillini
wouldn't it be wild if the future wizards backcourt was Riley and Wagler
 
#92      
mysterio2525
skyIdub said:
An 18 year old can add 8-12 inches to their vertical with proper training.
Wagler will easily add 20+lbs in two years.

Keaton Wagler at 190-210 with an extra 10” to his vertical is not Michael Jordan or Kobe, but he’s an absolute monster.
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wagler with 10 additional inches on his vertical is cheat code. I just have a hard time believing that he could add more than 5-6 inches on his vertical.... anyone in general. would love to hear more about how you got to that 8-12 inch improvement on vertical stat? I'd be curious to see if they have this info as a follow up from the draft
 
#94      
skyIdub
mysterio2525 said:
wagler with 10 additional inches on his vertical is cheat code. I just have a hard time believing that he could add more than 5-6 inches on his vertical.... anyone in general. would love to hear more about how you got to that 8-12 inch improvement on vertical stat? I'd be curious to see if they have this info as a follow up from the draft
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Yeah it’s definitely genetic dependent and also current development dependent so probably overly optimistic for him at this stage?
But it’s not unheard of or impossible.

But for someone in early stages you can add 8-12 pretty easily.
 
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Rebounding Dog
mysterio2525 said:
wagler with 10 additional inches on his vertical is cheat code. I just have a hard time believing that he could add more than 5-6 inches on his vertical.... anyone in general. would love to hear more about how you got to that 8-12 inch improvement on vertical stat? I'd be curious to see if they have this info as a follow up from the draft
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I would assume there is room for vetical improvement but 5-6" seems more likely...it is not like these guys haven't been working on it for a while (years).
5-6" is a lot considering where he is now!
 
#96      
skyIdub
Rebounding Dog said:
I would assume there is room for vetical improvement but 5-6" seems more likely...it is not like these guys haven't been working on it for a while (years).
5-6" is a lot considering where he is now!
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Ayo added 11”. So there’s that.🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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IlliniFan42
Fly Illini Fly! said:
If this were last year, I think Wagler goes No. 2 after Flagg. This year it’s just an insane class — but he’s right in the thick of it.

I believe Vecinie said after Purdue that word around the league is #4-8 in terms of his current draft range.
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I don't think he breaks the top five last year. There is a lot on the line if you're the executive who took the 3/4-star over all the obvious 5-star picks who all played great.
 
#99      
logjam
seaillini said:
wouldn't it be wild if the future wizards backcourt was Riley and Wagler
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Threaten Talladega Nights GIF
 
#100      
skyIdub
EmpoweredIllini said:
8-12 can be done, has been done before, but I'd push back for sure on "pretty easily"... would be multiple years of dedicated training



He added 3-4 inches per the multiple articles I quickly found. Is there another source citing 11 inches?
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“Early stages” is the key qualifier.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/18/ayo-dosunmu-illinois-basketball-march-madness

But when Ayo arrived fresh off a USA Basketball stint in the summer of 2018, he was “overtrained,” according to Fletcher, and broken down. He had weak ankles, weighed just 170 pounds and couldn’t bench press 185 pounds once.

Today he’s 208 pounds and can bench 185 (the standard NBA combine testing weight) 18 times. His vertical leap has improved 11 inches. Along with everything else, he committed to the weight room—not just the weights themselves but the bonding that can happen there.
 
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