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It's funny, I actually though the UConn game was one of Wagler's best in recent months from a scouting perspective, he was more assertive about getting to his spots and making shots at the rim.

5-for-6 on 2-pointers is the best he's done in awhile.

I'd still take Acuff over him, but all in all the tournament answered some of my mounting doubts about his stock.

Now he enters the tape-measures and empty gyms part of the process, for which scouts have low expectations for him, maybe he can surprise them.

I actually think being 6'6" and having a 6'11" wingspan will be a big + for him as far as the tape-measure part goes. His body is going to mature and I feel like muscle mass is pretty easily attainable these days for pro athletes (and explosiveness should improve as he makes gains in the various physical categories).

Wouldn't argue too much about Acuff or even Flemings over him because I feel they're all pretty close together, but Keaton has two huge advantages on them that at this point they're extremely unlikely to surpass him in: positional size/length & elite mental processing. He'll catch up to them physically, somewhat.
 
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I actually think being 6'6" and having a 6'11" wingspan will be a big + for him as far as the tape-measure part goes. His body is going to mature and I feel like muscle mass is pretty easily attainable these days for pro athletes (and explosiveness should improve as he makes gains in the various physical categories).

Wouldn't argue too much about Acuff or even Flemings over him because I feel they're all pretty close together, but Keaton has two huge advantages on them that at this point they're extremely unlikely to surpass him in: positional size/length & elite mental processing. He'll catch up to them physically, somewhat.

Using Ayo as an example he came in barely able to dunk and now look at him throwing down posters in traffic.

Its kind of funny for Wagler the wingspan went so over looked all year but that's such a huge part of why he was so successful on drives. The other thing Keaton has over Acuff especially is that Acuff cant guard to save his life and has shown little interest in trying all year. NBA gms like guys who can impact the game on both ends. Its a big reason why KJ and Will fell to the end of the first round.
 
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Sporting news mock:

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#155      
Using Ayo as an example he came in barely able to dunk and now look at him throwing down posters in traffic.

Its kind of funny for Wagler the wingspan went so over looked all year but that's such a huge part of why he was so successful on drives. The other thing Keaton has over Acuff especially is that Acuff cant guard to save his life and has shown little interest in trying all year. NBA gms like guys who can impact the game on both ends. Its a big reason why KJ and Will fell to the end of the first round.

Ha! I remember the vertical development in one year debate earlier this year!

That was fun.😆
 
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Using Ayo as an example he came in barely able to dunk and now look at him throwing down posters in traffic.

Its kind of funny for Wagler the wingspan went so over looked all year but that's such a huge part of why he was so successful on drives. The other thing Keaton has over Acuff especially is that Acuff cant guard to save his life and has shown little interest in trying all year. NBA gms like guys who can impact the game on both ends. Its a big reason why KJ and Will fell to the end of the first round.
Agreed. I see Acuff as another Trae Young. A nuclear offensive player who is just too small and disinterested to help get a stop. He will help you sell a lot of jerseys, but won't help you win games in May.
 
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As a Mavs season ticket holder I would be super pissed off to get Flemings over Keaton.
They would be stupid to do so or any other team.
 
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man, i know this goes against all the talking heads, but I think there's a possibility that Wagler's stock falls after the combine (if not sooner). Clearly super-skilled, and will play in the league as a high pick eventually, but when he has faced teams with length/athleticism, he has not been effective. I think that, as much as he is a great story ("nobody recruited him", etc), the NBA will see him as having significant issues to develop before teams are going to lay out a lottery pick on him.
Looking at Michigan, Mich St, Tennessee, Uconn, Alabama, and even throwing in UCLA as a long/athletic team (although obviously flawed in some ways), these are Keaton's numbers:
16.4% from the field
32.4% from 3 (which includes 3/6 against Michigan, sub-30% if you take those out)
14.2 PPG
5 RPG
3 APG
1.8 TO
That is obviously leaving Purdue out, but that's a prime example of why he has had such success through a stretch where we played a bunch of teams that were going to have big time match-up issues against us. With Purdue, they obviously have a lot of talent, but their fatal flaw is there bigs are vulnerable to switching, and Smith/Loyer are not defensively intimidating. Texas Tech is another team with NBA talent that he played well against, but that's not a team like Uconn or Michigan that have like 6-8 NBA bodies to throw at him.
Through that stretch in the end of jan through mid-feb, we just hunted mismatches (Purdue being the best example), and Wagler (among others) exploited them. But I think that's more vindication of the Underwoods identifying a way to build a super-efficient college offense that it is an indication of Wagler's hypothetical success playing at the next level next year. Not many NBA teams are going to have someone with Oscar Cluff's capability and body, let alone let Wagler switch on to him. and even if they do, they will have at least 3 other guys on the court with enough length and athleticism that he won't be able to exploit that.

I love that this kid is an Illini, and stoked to have another freshman, along with Mirk, that has national attention. And for sure it would be real surprising if he doesn't get a decent run in the NBA, but I think NBA teams will see the limitations of his game. I know the draft is all about potential, but there is a looooooot of potential in this years draft class. If he goes 5 through 10 in the draft, good on him, take the money and do the work, but he also has a level of clear raw talent that he could be in the sort of Dybantsa vs Boozer vs Peterson discussion that is happening this year.

My logic is obviously clouded by delusional hopes that we have 6 or 7 of these guys running it back next year (including Ty in that mix), and feeling like we have a team that will be in the type of top tier that Michigan/Arizona/Duke are in this year, but I think that the feel-good story of small-town kid that got overlooked and then dropped 46 at Mackey is what is driving all the top-5 talk around Wagler, not what real NBA evaluation is going to shake out in the end.
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