NCAA could not conclude academic violations in North Carolina case
Excellent summary!
The opposite is true, the commercial value of the UNC brand, and those other power schools, is huge, which is exactly why there is no real incentive of penalizing them.
Forget the sports publications of this scandal. Sorry, but those guys know the x's and o's, but this is out of their area of expertise. The Chronicle of Higher Education, essentially the trade paper for college stuff, has a very damning report on the UNC affair.
Read the whole thing and it's as bad on a who-knew basis (though obviously way short of the crime) as the Jerry Sandusky/Penn State debacle. They knew, all the way to the top. There were people whose job essentially was steering players to these courses and getting them through them...including a secretary grading papers.
A lot of lower level faculty and staff have already been sanctioned in one way or another, some losing their jobs (though some just bouncing to another instituion). But there's no way, for as long as this was going on, that they didn't know about this all the way to the top. That's the sort of thing that everybody knows, the open secret among faculty administrators, the Harvey Weinstein of UNC academics.
I know a senior faculty member of a Div II school and I can tell you that they are extremely sensitive to NCAA violations. If one player on a team isn't carrying a "full load"--12 hours minimum--because, say, they dropped a class--the team will have forfeited all of the games that team played while he/she was not meeting that qualification. Ditto GPA. If you're not making grades, you don't play. Department chairs work with the athletic department on this. (It's not "giving athletes extra help", just making sure the team meet standards).
The fact that the UNC classes were open to other students was a fig leaf of plausible deniability, and that only. They were created to help athletes pretend to be students. That some frat brothers found out that these were the ultimate of gut courses, good for padding your gpa, they were in, but kept it quiet so that other students didn't kill the goose laying those golden A's.
Were/are there athletes at UNC who were truly student-athletes? Of course. But this is damning not only of the athletic department but the university as a whole. The president of Penn State went to jail for allowing and covering up Jerry Sandusky's crime (and letting JoPa handle the football team and players separate from the rest of Penn State). But the UNC president was culpable as the PSU president, and although again the UNC scandal obviously isn't criminal to the extent PSU was, but they knew it to the top, and they made lower level faculty and staff scapegoats.
Here's the article. Read it an amaze your friends with your knowledge. There's a number of other articles about the scandal in the Chronicle. You know how to find them. But in short, they knew.
Read the whole thing and it's as bad on a who-knew basis (though obviously way short of the crime) as the Jerry Sandusky/Penn State debacle. They knew, all the way to the top. There were people whose job essentially was steering players to these courses and getting them through them...including a secretary grading papers.
A lot of lower level faculty and staff have already been sanctioned in one way or another, some losing their jobs (though some just bouncing to another instituion). But there's no way, for as long as this was going on, that they didn't know about this all the way to the top. That's the sort of thing that everybody knows, the open secret among faculty administrators, the Harvey Weinstein of UNC academics.
I know a senior faculty member of a Div II school and I can tell you that they are extremely sensitive to NCAA violations. If one player on a team isn't carrying a "full load"--12 hours minimum--because, say, they dropped a class--the team will have forfeited all of the games that team played while he/she was not meeting that qualification. Ditto GPA. If you're not making grades, you don't play. Department chairs work with the athletic department on this. (It's not "giving athletes extra help", just making sure the team meet standards).
The fact that the UNC classes were open to other students was a fig leaf of plausible deniability, and that only. They were created to help athletes pretend to be students. That some frat brothers found out that these were the ultimate of gut courses, good for padding your gpa, they were in, but kept it quiet so that other students didn't kill the goose laying those golden A's.
Were/are there athletes at UNC who were truly student-athletes? Of course. But this is damning not only of the athletic department but the university as a whole. The president of Penn State went to jail for allowing and covering up Jerry Sandusky's crime (and letting JoPa handle the football team and players separate from the rest of Penn State). But the UNC president was culpable as the PSU president, and although again the UNC scandal obviously isn't criminal to the extent PSU was, but they knew it to the top, and they made lower level faculty and staff scapegoats.
Here's the article. Read it an amaze your friends with your knowledge. There's a number of other articles about the scandal in the Chronicle. You know how to find them. But in short, they knew.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Complete sham, set up for keeping revenue sport athletes eligible. Yet the NCAA failed to penalize them, despite monumental systemic cheating. Speaks volumes. The NCAA has zero credibility and is a total joke.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Different time, and there are a lot more 0000's in the money pie now. Our timing was bad, since it piggybacked the football program's issues.
edit: this is still ridiculous though.
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sdfidaho
- Boise, Idaho
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U get an A. U get an A. Everyone gets an A!!!
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Isn't having a member institution decide whether it has or is committing academic fraud a little like having a defendant in a criminal case also be the judge ? ("You be the judge of your guilt.") Doesn't this take the whole issue of academic fraud off the table ? Of what effectiveness, then, are rules regarding progress toward a degree, etc. ? And what about high schools ?
Illini_1979
- Oregon
Jim Boeheim no like.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-ba...north-carolina-ncaa-ruling?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp
Can you blame him?
https://www.sbnation.com/college-ba...north-carolina-ncaa-ruling?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp
Can you blame him?
Spot on. NCAA is joke, and they don't even care anymore.
Look for Syracuse to be investigated shortly
Spot on. NCAA is joke, and they don't even care anymore.
Look for Syracuse to be investigated shortly
And Cleveland State will be in real trouble this time if they find any evidence of wrongdoing at Syracuse!
“The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky it will probably slap another two years probation on Cleveland State.’’ - Jerry Tarkanian
That quote is just beautiful.
This...scandal...must...not...die...
It's not the crime, it's the cover up.
"UNC defended classes to the NCAA. Now the accreditor has questions." "...of the infractions committee report: “'We’re working through the report. It says a lot, but it says nothing, so we are trying to ferret out what it actually says.'"
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article183717756.html
It's not the crime, it's the cover up.
"UNC defended classes to the NCAA. Now the accreditor has questions." "...of the infractions committee report: “'We’re working through the report. It says a lot, but it says nothing, so we are trying to ferret out what it actually says.'"
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article183717756.html
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That would be so awesome if by defending itself to the NCAA they lost their accreditation. I'm sure it won't happen, but it would be poetic justice.
Yes..it...should
I've said all along this is an accreditation issue. It looks like the accreditors may finally agree with me.
UNC got out of trouble with the accreditors in the first place by telling them it was academic fraud and not emblematic of how things worked at UNC. UNC then told the NCAA that it was not academic fraud, and that the prior statement to the contrary was a "typo". This strikes me as a more sophisticated version of "the dog ate my homework" defense.
UNC is up for an accreditation review next month. They got some splainin' to do.
UNC got out of trouble with the accreditors in the first place by telling them it was academic fraud and not emblematic of how things worked at UNC. UNC then told the NCAA that it was not academic fraud, and that the prior statement to the contrary was a "typo". This strikes me as a more sophisticated version of "the dog ate my homework" defense.
UNC is up for an accreditation review next month. They got some splainin' to do.