NCAA could not conclude academic violations in North Carolina case

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WhiteRhino

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RedRocksIllini said:
Kinda begs the question: what exactly did one have to do to receive less than a 4.0? Show up for the first "class"? Spell your name right?
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I think in some cases, the coaches or academic advisors told the instructor what grade to give the players.

That should tell you how bad of students some of these guys were, that they had to give them B's because no one would believe that they could get an A, even if it was a blow-off class.
 
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Turnlaw said:


Your statement that Crowder did not set out to help the team seems to be contradicted by some of these conclusions. Regardless of her motivations, however, the conclusions from the Wainstein Report appear to go to the issue of legitimate academic eligibility for student-athletes as much as they do accreditation issues for UNC. I find it hard to believe that the NCAA could not separate the two and still find plenty of ammunition. The question is what size artillery they will use.
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The report makes it very clear a number of student athletes, and particularly football players, would not have been eligible if their AFAM paper class grades were subtracted from their GPAs. But isn't the defense obvious? It is the job of athletes' academic counselors to keep them eligible. To do so, they steer them into any easy course they can find. The AFAM paper classes were just the easiest examples they could find.

That does not show the counselors, the players, or the coaches necessarily knew the classes were created for the primary purpose of inflating student grades. Apparently at least some of the student athletes worked really hard on their papers for some of these classes.

Based on the Weinstein report, the football team appears to be the clearest exception to this argument. That team has already forfeited games and received a variety of other sanctions as well. But that same report also suggests a number of coaches didn't really know what was going on with AFAM.

The problem with all of this, of course, is that UNC bought and paid for the Weinstein report.

My bottom line is that I'd like to see UNC forfeit its 2005 basketball banner (and I know that does not make Illinois the new champ), but I just don't see the case that can be made using the NCAA by laws. You can make a case without reference to the bylaws, but I find it hard to imagine the NCAA going down that road.
 
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whovous said:
Apparently at least some of the student athletes worked really hard on their papers for some of these classes.
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This just establishes how much those guys needed help ... they weren't smart enough to even know you didn't have to try to get a good grade in a fake class that you didn't attend.
 
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Andrew Carter‏Verified account @_andrewcarter 1h1 hour ago
From a source: the NCAA Committee on Infractions tomorrow at noon will release its final report, including penalties, in the UNC case.
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915928036775735298

Brian Snow‏@BSnowScout
My Carolina/COI prediction: Carolina fans will think the penalties are too harsh, ppl who want Carolina nuked will think the NCAA went light
6:58 AM - 5 Oct 2017
https://twitter.com/BSnowScout/status/915939257847513088
 
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Given that the NCAA has been under criticism for not being able to adequately police their ranks, and this was written about ad nauseum last week in light of the FBI investigation, do those events have any bearing on what the NCAA hands down tomorrow? Or will it just be more BAU for their sacred cows?

I want to see the former. Guessing we will still get the latter.
 
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NJILLINI said:
Given that the NCAA has been under criticism for not being able to adequately police their ranks, and this was written about ad nauseum last week in light of the FBI investigation, do those events have any bearing on what the NCAA hands down tomorrow? Or will it just be more BAU for their sacred cows?

I want to see the former. Guessing we will still get the latter.
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Announcing on a Friday is always a bad sign -- but like you say, who for?
According to a commenter on this tweet, school gets the news 24 hours in advance. If that's true, we might hear something this afternoon about what's going on.

Andrew Carter‏Verified account@_andrewcarter
That's significantly earlier than expected, but perhaps not surprising given NCAA's desire to bring this to a conclusion.
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915928689296232448
 
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NJILLINI said:
Given that the NCAA has been under criticism for not being able to adequately police their ranks, and this was written about ad nauseum last week in light of the FBI investigation, do those events have any bearing on what the NCAA hands down tomorrow? Or will it just be more BAU for their sacred cows?

I want to see the former. Guessing we will still get the latter.
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My guess is as slow as the NCAA process has been, the FBI stuff has very little effect. I just don't see the NCAA as able to move fast enough to make any significant changes in the last couple of weeks since everything else broke.
 
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From a commenter: timing has shifted per UNC request. Tomorrow is $4B capital campaign announcement.

Andrew Carter‏Verified account @_andrewcarter 18m18 minutes ago
UNC is *NOT* confirming this at this point. What I tweeted earlier was correct but it appears release timeline may have shifted.
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915967236040478720
 
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miketherevelator said:
From a commenter: timing has shifted per UNC request. Tomorrow is $4B capital campaign announcement.

Andrew Carter‏Verified account @_andrewcarter 18m18 minutes ago
UNC is *NOT* confirming this at this point. What I tweeted earlier was correct but it appears release timeline may have shifted.
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915967236040478720
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"Whoa...that's not bad but we don't want any sanctions at all. So let's not announce this until our legal team has had a chance to review and has put the wheels in motion for a court fight."
 
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Illwinsagain

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PlayAZ said:
Is that the new Greek recruit? More importantly does he fit the system?:eek:
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Everyone fits BU's system, except those like Tilmon, CC, and others that have decided to go elsewhere, because they are part of the very few that don't fit it. :D
 
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Illiini said:
It was a department other than athletics that was cheating. Or at least the athletic department had plausible deniability. But they knew. Every faculty member knew.
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Agreed. Sounds like an ethics violation. Pull all federal research dollars from the institution. That would get the faculty's attention. The NCAA is a joke.
 
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whovous

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lexwaldez said:
Agreed. Sounds like an ethics violation. Pull all federal research dollars from the institution. That would get the faculty's attention. The NCAA is a joke.
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What do federal research dollars have to do with anything? Pull their academic accreditation.
 
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whovous

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I agree it won't happen. Their accrediting agency has already "sanctioned" them for their academic violations. I put quotation marks around "sanctioned" because a light slap on the wrist is not what most people think of as a sanction.
 
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Officially official. Again.

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 10m10 minutes ago

NCAA Infractions Report on North Carolina expected to be announced tomorrow, source confirmed to ESPN. @InsideCarolina first.
 
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Unpopular news is best for the Friday news cycle. (From what I've heard)

Will this be unpopular because they are going to lay the smack down on UNC, thus angering a large and lucrative school/fanbase?

Or will it be unpopular because the NCAA won't be able to pin anything big on them and UNC will get away with murder, thus pissing the rest of us off.

I'm guessing the latter.
 
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whovous

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I'm guessing the latter as well. I don't think the NCAA has the power to do what it would like to do.
 
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FeelYourPaign

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Hoppy2105 said:
Unpopular news is best for the Friday news cycle. (From what I've heard)

Will this be unpopular because they are going to lay the smack down on UNC, thus angering a large and lucrative school/fanbase?

Or will it be unpopular because the NCAA won't be able to pin anything big on them and UNC will get away with murder, thus pissing the rest of us off.

I'm guessing the latter.
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I had all three of those thoughts . . . :mad:
 
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champaignchris

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If UNC can get away with this, why can’t Illinois give Chevy Blazers to every basketball player so long as it also gives Chevy Blazers to 15 other randomly selected students.