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I propose that we change the name of our athletic teams to be the University of Illinois Fighting Metrics.
Nebraska 83, Illinois 80 Postgame
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you were wrong twice in 2 examples that you yourself brought up, lol.
sampson's final 4 was in his 8th year. this is underwood's 9th. just give me a second weekend this year, that's what i'm looking for. (although i also am not calling for him to be fired or anything.)
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Florida's losses are to Arizona, Duke, U Conn and TT. Just sayin!
Nice try. This was posted in response to the incessant complaints about how a loss at home against Nebraska is unacceptable and how this season is lost because we've lost three games, all against ranked teams. Golden had a great run last season, but the start his Florida team is off to is worse than BU's start this season.
Also, two other things since we're moving so far from the original point:
1) Hiring Golden was never realistic. Miller and Beard maybe, but Golden wasn't going anywhere;
2) You know his championship at Florida doesn't go with him if he leaves right? That we don't get to raise a banner because our new coach won before he joined us? We'd have gotten the Golden that is currently 6-4 and lost at home to TCU. I think Golden is a good coach and will probably rack up other successes, but it's not a guarantee. Kevin Ollie also won a national championship. Anyone on this board clamoring to hire him? Bill Hodges took Indiana State to the National Championship game in his first season and then never even made the Tourney again. The best indicator of future success is not the result of one instance of a single-elimination tournament but the ability to get there on a consistent basis.
Yesss. I’m staying consistent on the math for Sampson when calling this underwood's 9th season for tourney results.
I also personally don’t blame underwood for COVID.
I know you don't get "penalized" as much for quad 1 losses, but none of the 12 teams ahead of us have more than 1 quad 1 loss (to our 3), and there is only one sub-quad 1 loss in the top 25. I feel like a 5 or 6 seed is what we look like right now, maaaaaybe a 4.
he could also mention coming out flat in the second half.... but you hit the highlights
I know I am going to talk about a different era when there were far fewer teams in the tournament. John Wooden, if I counted correctly, won his first NCAA tournament champ[ionship in his 18th year as a coach. This includes 2 years at Indiana State.
at this point, we just don't have guys outside of kylan who want eat someones lunch on defense. and I don't expect that to change. we should try to confuse another team on defense to try and steal a few possessions by mixing up our coverage. even a gimmicky zone for a few possessions could help. I saw them try and throw it out there Saturday and it looked horrible... as some have said, half the team ran zone and the other didn't. maybe with practice it can be something to try, even for 2 minutes a game to steal 2 possessions. otherwise I don't know how to fix our defense and that's an issue. the one big advantage we have is length... need to find a way to use that on defense. because we can't keep chasing people with our slow feet and not expect people to cut us to death like uconn and Nebraska did.
Unless the coaching staff fully commits to playing zone defense it will not be real effective.
La, La, La, La. Fingers in ears. I choose not to read this post-game thread, but I can imagine.
I am surprised that some people don't understand that our team and coaching staff is not perfect. Nebraska played well, we did not, and now we simply have to make up for that.
Just look what Iowa State did to Purdue at Mackey - that was an embarrassment. Despite how people may have felt, we did not get embarrassed, and we have not been embarrassed this season. We are going to lose another 5 games plus or minus during B1G play. It is OK. We are playing two freshmen a lot, Tomi was out, Stoj was out. BU may be a coach that sticks with a game plan (sometimes when he shouldn't), but he is very adaptable game to game. BU will figure this team out given time.
I am surprised that some people don't understand that our team and coaching staff is not perfect. Nebraska played well, we did not, and now we simply have to make up for that.
Just look what Iowa State did to Purdue at Mackey - that was an embarrassment. Despite how people may have felt, we did not get embarrassed, and we have not been embarrassed this season. We are going to lose another 5 games plus or minus during B1G play. It is OK. We are playing two freshmen a lot, Tomi was out, Stoj was out. BU may be a coach that sticks with a game plan (sometimes when he shouldn't), but he is very adaptable game to game. BU will figure this team out given time.
I wish you were willing and I don't think they are committed. so we are back to meeting good teams score 80+ on us
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expect different results?
Here is a 1) statement, 2) a question and then a 3) comment.
1) Illinois hired Camryn Crocker to be the defensive coordinator.
2) Has anyone seen or read anything about how much control Underwood has given him?
3) The defense does not seem to be improving. Another issue is I think the players that carried over from last last year got into some bad defensive habits last year and Crocker may have a hard time breaking these habits.
What am I missing?
1) Illinois hired Camryn Crocker to be the defensive coordinator.
2) Has anyone seen or read anything about how much control Underwood has given him?
3) The defense does not seem to be improving. Another issue is I think the players that carried over from last last year got into some bad defensive habits last year and Crocker may have a hard time breaking these habits.
What am I missing?
See post #372, page 15, within this thread by Indy Illini Fan.
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Thanks!
You missed their loss to national power.......TCU. Still just sayin'?
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Had to remain quiet for a couple days because I was really pissed about the game. I think Nebraska out played us got lucky and hit a bunch of 3s that ended up helping them pull out the win. Hats off to them and their coach.
However this is the softest Illini team I have seen in years. There is no nastiness in these guys. They are all Charmin soft. What the hell is up with Tomi, think I could score on him and I am over 70. I am really wondering what is up with our offensive game plan besides we like to take any semi open 3. We have the size to work the ball inside but all we do is run our bigs around at the top of the key and set screens, ther is absolutely not set and roll to then basket. Yes I know our offense is about spacing and creating mistakes matches but when we aren't accomplishing that run something different, how about a little high low action? No we never look inside to the bigs only the other guards. Time to run some other plays when the same old one is not working or the 3s are cranking.
However this is the softest Illini team I have seen in years. There is no nastiness in these guys. They are all Charmin soft. What the hell is up with Tomi, think I could score on him and I am over 70. I am really wondering what is up with our offensive game plan besides we like to take any semi open 3. We have the size to work the ball inside but all we do is run our bigs around at the top of the key and set screens, ther is absolutely not set and roll to then basket. Yes I know our offense is about spacing and creating mistakes matches but when we aren't accomplishing that run something different, how about a little high low action? No we never look inside to the bigs only the other guards. Time to run some other plays when the same old one is not working or the 3s are cranking.
I feel like this is one of the more underrated aspects of the conversation, especially since Kylan does not look nearly as dominant as he did a year ago on that end.
I respectfully disagree with your first statement. Switching almost all the time can certainly work if you have the right people to do it. See Beard/Adams during their Texas Tech years. Half the coaches in America were trying to emulate them at the time. That was a pretty big coaching fad at the time.
I however think you’re spot on about our personnel. Basically our zone hating coach put together a “zone-like” roster in an era of basketball where it’s not as effective; for extended periods of time. (I mean I know you get the talent you can get…but this one was predictable.)
I was puzzled by the Big T post comment as well. Seems like a rather defeatist statement from a guy who was content to keep going right at Klingan? Surely Hoiberg’s interior defense isn’t THAT effective.
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Reading through the Illini autopsy here, I started wondering what the reaction of Nebraska fans would have been if they had blown a big lead in each half and then lost to an unathletic, soft, uninspired, poorly coached team. They are an impatient group being fans as they are of the only Power 5 team to never win a NCAA Tourney game.
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We're you part of the cohort saying this same thing last year? Or perhaps the group saying this in '23?
I think some of the over the top reaction from some fans stem from the fans who have their heads buried in the sand.
Two out of the last three years we had talented teams with chemistry and energy issues. Brad did not "figure out those teams". In each of those years we finished outside the top 25.
Classic stuff!!
Barnhart and Trent on the radio back your version, it was for trash talking
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