Northwestern 96, Illinois 91 OT Postgame

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JSpence

Evansville, IN
No, but in the context of what I was replying to, for the final shot in regulation, I would put Hawkins on Boo.

That wasn't the main context, but if the final possession was your whole point, then okay. I think that Buie would tighten his shoes and confidently take on an Edey double-team in that situation, but yeah, maybe he would get caught off-guard and give Coleman an edge. I just wouldn't bet on it. I wouldn't bet on any last possession against Buie without a 5-pt lead.
 
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JSpence

Evansville, IN
Yep, I loudly complained to my wife and baby that if you don’t have a set play there, you give TJ the shot to prove he’s “back” and silence that student section.
Yeah. It was not a miss-and-lose situation. If TSJ hadn't looked really undependable on drives, I think asking him to find at least one point is the best call.

It's not that Domask from inside the paint is a bad shot, but if you're trying to run the clock down, too, it's a tough one to get right.
 
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Didn’t really know which thread to post it in, but just a thought for tonight. This team is more tournament ready than any Underwood team imo. I don’t think it really matters what seed we get. We’re making the tournament and I don’t really see a path where it’s not possible to make an elite eight, if not final four. Even with Shannon’s absence, I think the team got better. It’s gonna take a minute to gel again, but ultimately I’m not really that worried. I think we’ve seen what the ceiling can be, and they’re not even close to it yet. A decent seed is great, but I really don’t think this team needs an “easy” pass on that regard. Could be drinking kool-aid but I really feel like this is a tournament team 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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This team is more tournament ready than any Underwood team imo.

I hope you're right about that. For myself, I haven't seen enough evidence one way or the other. The fact that they are such a veteran team is in their favor both from a maturity point of view and with them knowing that for many of these guy its their last chance at the Dance.

But the Northwestern game is concerning to me as I posted before in that it was a Tourney-style-game-and-atmosphere... and again Our Beloved came up short.
Illini need to win a couple a couple games like this one in the next few weeks to build up that confidence in such games... and our confidence that they will get the job done.

I think we’ve seen what the ceiling can be, and they’re not even close to it yet.

We've seen the Illini running like a top machine at times... and also sputtering in stretches. With Shannon now back for the duration they should be able to build on that team consistency which was lacking due to (those) circumstances up until now. The wild card is how Shannon reacts to the static he's going to get for the rest of the season.
 
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Nicholson will always be a dork for not just the floor slapping, but the 'hot water burn baby' moment after the jump-ball call. IYKYK.
That ish was just bizarre.
 
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I still can’t get over the final play call of regulation. I really wish Brad had a couple go to plays that got good looks. If you are going to go iso though, just feels like you have to go TSJ with how often he was getting to the rim and the line. Domask, Coleman and cast ready for the kick out.

Domask did a good job of drawing bodies to him and then forced a shot with 3 guys on him. Reminded me of the Ayo game winner at Michigan, except he isn’t Ayo. It was a really frustrating end to a really frustrating but competitive game.
I respectfully disagree with some of these comments I keep seeing.

No he isn’t Ayo; Domask has a larger shot vocabulary by a wide margin.

Ayo had a quick, explosive first step and AFTER he got Fletched he could finish strong at the hoop. It wasn’t Terrence Shannon (I’m-gonna- rip -your-GDmn- arms-off strong…BUT Strong.)
He had a pull-up, a step-back and a sidewise leaner from 15-21feet. He was not a solid 3pt shooter anywhere but the top of the key.

Marcus has a: pull-up, a step-back, a leaner, a floater, a turnaround, a fadeaway,
something of a drop step, an up and under,
an off-balance Bob Cousy shoot off the wrong foot runner thing, a semi-hook of sorts and a decent 3 pt shot.

Domask doesn’t yet have that level of killer instinct(advantage Ayo)…but few do. And Marcus isn’t exactly bashful right now either. Overall…as far being creative…Advantage Marcus Domask IMO.

If it’s a choice between Shannon, who’s got a little rust to shake off…I’m gonna choose Domask. Because to me…it’s more refined one-on-one skills/larger shot vocab VS decent sniper + SUPER 🧨 explosive & strong getting downhill. If I’m not setting up something specific. I’m probably going with the guy with the better shot vocabulary more often than not. JMO

The way it played out…I 1000% think that ball should have been kicked out to QG…after the D collapsed.

Honestly…I’m surprised this is the play that irks people about Brad not going all Brad Stevens on it. We at least got the ball in the paint and had an open dude(s) we just didn’t make the play or the right play. If I’m being honest there would definitely be a few I would nominate over this one.
 
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I respectfully disagree with some of these comments I keep seeing.

No he isn’t Ayo; Domask has a larger shot vocabulary by a wide margin.

Ayo had a quick, explosive first step and AFTER he got Fletched he could finish strong at the hoop. It wasn’t Terrence Shannon (I’m-gonna- rip -your-GDmn- arms-off strong…BUT Strong.)
He had a pull-up, a step-back and a sidewise leaner from 15-21feet. He was not a solid 3pt shooter anywhere but the top of the key.

Marcus has a: pull-up, a step-back, a leaner, a floater, a turnaround, a fadeaway,
something of a drop step, an up and under,
an off-balance Bob Cousy shoot off the wrong foot runner thing, a semi-hook of sorts and a decent 3 pt shot.

Domask doesn’t yet have that level of killer instinct(advantage Ayo)…but few do. And Marcus isn’t exactly bashful right now either. Overall…as far being creative…Advantage Marcus Domask IMO.

If it’s a choice between Shannon, who’s got a little rust to shake off…I’m gonna choose Domask. Because to me…it’s more refined one-on-one skills/larger shot vocab VS decent sniper + SUPER 🧨 explosive & strong getting downhill. If I’m not setting up something specific. I’m probably going with the guy with the better shot vocabulary more often than not. JMO

The way it played out…I 1000% think that ball should have been kicked out to QG…after the D collapsed.

Honestly…I’m surprised this is the play that irks people about Brad not going all Brad Stevens on it. We at least got the ball in the paint and had an open dude(s) we just didn’t make the play or the right play. If I’m being honest there would definitely be a few I would nominate over this one.
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Another thing I would consider is Shannon’s off hand…may or may not be a bit of an issue in situations such as this. Although Marcus isn’t Marques Haines with the pill in the open court …he doesn’t often have that weak hand issue attacking the rack inside the scoring area
 
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Any thoughts what has happened with the defense from Ty? I know his playtime has taken a hit since TSJ came back but I would say his defense is a big reason why. Earlier this year we thought Ty and TSJ could be the best perimeter defender duo. Interested if anyone has noticed why he is struggling still after TSJ is back.
For most of the second half, ty's man didn't score a single point on him. Not 1 point. Completely shut the guy out.

Hard to play defense from the bench but he did it.
Bruce underwood needs to answer for his complete lack of adjustments in any game this season. Maryland game betting the worst of all but this one not a lot better.
 
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I respectfully disagree with some of these comments I keep seeing.

No he isn’t Ayo; Domask has a larger shot vocabulary by a wide margin.

Ayo had a quick, explosive first step and AFTER he got Fletched he could finish strong at the hoop. It wasn’t Terrence Shannon (I’m-gonna- rip -your-GDmn- arms-off strong…BUT Strong.)
He had a pull-up, a step-back and a sidewise leaner from 15-21feet. He was not a solid 3pt shooter anywhere but the top of the key.

Marcus has a: pull-up, a step-back, a leaner, a floater, a turnaround, a fadeaway,
something of a drop step, an up and under,
an off-balance Bob Cousy shoot off the wrong foot runner thing, a semi-hook of sorts and a decent 3 pt shot.

Domask doesn’t yet have that level of killer instinct(advantage Ayo)…but few do. And Marcus isn’t exactly bashful right now either. Overall…as far being creative…Advantage Marcus Domask IMO.

If it’s a choice between Shannon, who’s got a little rust to shake off…I’m gonna choose Domask. Because to me…it’s more refined one-on-one skills/larger shot vocab VS decent sniper + SUPER 🧨 explosive & strong getting downhill. If I’m not setting up something specific. I’m probably going with the guy with the better shot vocabulary more often than not. JMO

The way it played out…I 1000% think that ball should have been kicked out to QG…after the D collapsed.

Honestly…I’m surprised this is the play that irks people about Brad not going all Brad Stevens on it. We at least got the ball in the paint and had an open dude(s) we just didn’t make the play or the right play. If I’m being honest there would definitely be a few I would nominate over this one.
Agreed. Honestly in that same situation and given how the game had been called, a mid range jumper from MD is a lot less of a risk than a late shot clock driver to the basket by TJ. An offensive foul call would have been the worst possible outcome.
 
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I respectfully disagree with some of these comments I keep seeing.

No he isn’t Ayo; Domask has a larger shot vocabulary by a wide margin.

Ayo had a quick, explosive first step and AFTER he got Fletched he could finish strong at the hoop. It wasn’t Terrence Shannon (I’m-gonna- rip -your-GDmn- arms-off strong…BUT Strong.)
He had a pull-up, a step-back and a sidewise leaner from 15-21feet. He was not a solid 3pt shooter anywhere but the top of the key.

Marcus has a: pull-up, a step-back, a leaner, a floater, a turnaround, a fadeaway,
something of a drop step, an up and under,
an off-balance Bob Cousy shoot off the wrong foot runner thing, a semi-hook of sorts and a decent 3 pt shot.

Domask doesn’t yet have that level of killer instinct(advantage Ayo)…but few do. And Marcus isn’t exactly bashful right now either. Overall…as far being creative…Advantage Marcus Domask IMO.

If it’s a choice between Shannon, who’s got a little rust to shake off…I’m gonna choose Domask. Because to me…it’s more refined one-on-one skills/larger shot vocab VS decent sniper + SUPER 🧨 explosive & strong getting downhill. If I’m not setting up something specific. I’m probably going with the guy with the better shot vocabulary more often than not. JMO

The way it played out…I 1000% think that ball should have been kicked out to QG…after the D collapsed.

Honestly…I’m surprised this is the play that irks people about Brad not going all Brad Stevens on it. We at least got the ball in the paint and had an open dude(s) we just didn’t make the play or the right play. If I’m being honest there would definitely be a few I would nominate over this one.
Domask has a very complete arsenal I agree, and he is no slouch but he still isn’t Ayo. My point is when his initial move wasn’t there he HAS to kick out instead of force a contested jumper fading away. Either draw a foul or pass the ball if you don’t have a good look. TSJ was wide open on the wing