DICKnaggie
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Replay is up on YouTube if anyone wants to watch.
Ole Miss 91, Illinois 74 (Exhibition) Postgame
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Ha I'm in my 30s and I noticed the same thing with the headband. Didn't get under my skin per se but struck me as an odd habit that he may want to correct.
I would be surprised if Ole Miss starts any other games that hot from 3. It was over at 7-11 from 3. We looked shell shocked - a good wake-up call, it has to start on the defensive end. Our ball pressure was abysmal compared.
Headband issues aside, I did think Tre White struggled in this one. While it's too early for me to say his play was disappointing based on a single game exhibition, I do think that there were some concerning aspects that could potentially point to longer term struggles.
On offense, it's possible he was trying to do too much to earn a spot and regular minutes, so I'm taking his turnovers with a grain of salt (those dribbling 1v3 is fixable), but he did play to his historic profile in his shot selection, which just aren't high efficiency shots even if given some space he didn't have. I also don't know if he has the offball movement to get him those shots cleanly as he seems to prefer to get there on the dribble. To succeed at that from an efficiency standpoint in the modern college game is difficult, and I'm just not sure at this point you want him taking midrangers off the dribble when you could have typically higher efficiency options inside with Ivisic or Morez or outside for 3. And that’s not saying Tre White won't have some games that are eyepopping, just that I don't necessarily see this being an approach that will be consistent or efficient over the course of a season.
As for White's defense, I'll start by saying a lot of players struggled defensively, and a lot of players had issues knowing where they should be positioned on the court and what their role or objective was. That said, he didn't come out with that effort, intensity, or decision making defensively that I would expect an upper-classman to have. To me at least it didn't look like he was struggling because he didn't know where his teammates would be or was confused about where to be, it looked like he struggled more because he wasn't putting in the effort on that end he needed to, to go along with some questionable I got beat fouls.
Overall he had a poor game in my opinion. It can and will certainly improve, but I think there are some possible early warning signs here.
Things that I think will happen:
1. We will have a poor non-conference record
2. We will finish top 4 in the B1G
3. We will go to the sweet 16
This is Brad’s “Izzo” year. Get challenged, develop, hit our stride in 2025 & be a machine come March…
Go Illini.
1. We will have a poor non-conference record
2. We will finish top 4 in the B1G
3. We will go to the sweet 16
This is Brad’s “Izzo” year. Get challenged, develop, hit our stride in 2025 & be a machine come March…
Go Illini.
Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
I said during the game it looked like an All-Star game where none of the players had worked together before. On further reflection today, I'm not sure an All-Star team would be down by 26.
Could definitely see this playing out
This would be great. Username also checks out
Forgot to mention that this board will turn into a cesspool of cold takes & doom until after Christmas. Be prepared.
This is good news. Still seems odd that Tomi was not allowed to play in the Butler scrimmage but was allowed to play here. After all, it was just a scrimmage, so what would be the point of keeping him out of a scrimmage but letting him play in an exhibition game? It has less importance than an exhibition game. If Illinois had played him anyway, what would happen, they’d forfeit a scrimmage? So, maybe this is an indication that he may be close to being cleared. Fingers crossed.
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Or does it mean the poster will leave in the middle of the season?
Maybe because he is the most experienced player, BU decided to give his minutes to the others who need the experience? Or did you mean “where” as in he seemed lost on the floor, as someone else mentioned? On the other hand, I imagine if Ty is going to be playing significant minutes, one would want to have him in there so that the rest can get experience with his style of play and, as others have said, so the team gels.
First of all. Smart scrimmage by Brad. We've got a lot to work on. This season to me has always been about peaking at the right time and building for next year. I think we will accomplish both. I too can see us stubbing our toe before league play but once the train gets rolling, we will finish up near the top 4 or 5 of the league. I suspect once tourney time rolls around we will be in great shape and make another run. I for one would like to win another conference title and make a sweet 16 run. Next year has potential to be very good depending on how things break.
skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
Literally one of my first thoughts after the game. There's just so much individual talent....and I genuinely think BU is loving this coaching challenge.
Can't wait to revisit this thread in Feb.
For certain this team needs to learn what Ty can do against the highest level of competition....and so does he. Ty can do it on both ends and needs to look to shoot and score or assist in many ways. He can be the Alphs this team needs though not with talk but by action. He can score in many ways we have yet to see. I hope to see that soon
My main takeaway on offense is they need to move the ball more to open up easier opportunities. Many of the 1-on-1 takes were ill advised and we'd get easier baskets and perhaps tire them out more by moving the ball around.
Only thing I can think of is we wanted clarification/confirmation from NCAA that it was OK and we didn’t receive that prior to Butler. Punishment if not OK could certainly be more than “forfeiting” scrimmage or exhibition. Wouldn’t surprise me if NCAA didn’t hand out an in-season suspension of a game or two. Stupid yes, but we’re talking about NCAA.
We’re going to struggle on defense all year. Just like last years team. We can be really good but we’re going to be in a lot of shootouts.
Most positive thing I took away from that scrimmage is that DGL looks like he’s made a massive jump. He looks bigger and is even a step faster than last year.
Most positive thing I took away from that scrimmage is that DGL looks like he’s made a massive jump. He looks bigger and is even a step faster than last year.
It may be true, but the "we'll be better in February than we are in November" cliche is just as played out as any other. We say it literally every year.
A lot of people have asked “how is Brad going to decide on the starters and who the 7-8 rotation players will be?”
After watching yesterday, I think that’s going to be pretty easily self-selected via each player’s defensive effort and sharing of the ball.
After watching yesterday, I think that’s going to be pretty easily self-selected via each player’s defensive effort and sharing of the ball.
skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
Stop overthinking it. Yes, we were not sharp, didn't shoot well, and turned it over way too much. In October. Replacing 99.9999% of our minutes. With Euro players adjusting to CBB. On the road. Against 7th year seniors. On a team returning 99.9999% of their scoring.
But really this was about Ole Miss shooting 99.9999% from 3 in the first half.
We showed up to a gun fight with a frying pan in our hands, and they deployed their Gatling Gun.
But really this was about Ole Miss shooting 99.9999% from 3 in the first half.
We showed up to a gun fight with a frying pan in our hands, and they deployed their Gatling Gun.
If I was just going after yesterday's scrimmage without ever knowing or seeing anything in regards to the players, my starters and rotation would be:
KJ
Boswell
Tomas
Rodgers
Riley
First subs:
DGL
Johnson
Humrichous
KJ
Boswell
Tomas
Rodgers
Riley
First subs:
DGL
Johnson
Humrichous
Definitely a good scrimmage especially in getting the new players introduced to how B10 play is going to look later in the year, with the increased physicality, defense, spacing, and speed that comes from playing older more experienced players. So from that perspective, being able to have a game before the season of, hey this is where we're at, and over there is what we have to get to in a few months is really good and useful stuff.
From a different perspective though, I do wonder if Brad privately thinks that while 20minutes of that was good for the team, whether not facing a team that was so defensively physical and disruptive for the other 20 minutes so the team could better work on sets, spacing, and movement would have been preferred, simply because this team needs time playing together to build chemistry and understand their teammates' tendencies in live play against other opponents. And that's just hard to figure out against a physical frenetic defense for such a young team. That said, I think we did have some positive offensive plays to be pointed at to build confidence on, it's just always a fine line with a young team on what is a good teaching lesson versus what builds confidence and chemistry.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
He's going to shrink by 18 inches, act like he invented college basketball and blame everyone else for his problems?
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