He had some pretty good teams at Iowa State.
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Lol McDermott went 59-68 at ISU (18-46 in conference!) and never had a winning season. Hoiberg's worst season at ISU (his 1st) was better than McDermott's best (also his first).
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The State of Nebraska has for decades found a big sense of pride in their once powerful football program. And for the last 25 years, that sense of pride and achievement has been missing. As has success for their football team which was lost back in the late ‘90s.
NU at Lincoln had a real opportunity to catch an attention wave now with its roundball program with the football program down in the dumps. That round ball will never be a match for the pigskin one that the State loves so much. But they really had a window here to put the program on the State and National map in a way that it has never been. But that once juicy opportunity now appears to be disappearing.
As the Illini have proven with their stellar AD... if you haven’t got one like this you got nothin’. The entire sports program succeeds or fails in whether you have the right person at the top (college programs or pro). They bring in the right coaches who bring in the right players who carry out the right vision set down by the coaches.
The sports climate these days is more competitive than it has even been for talent and attention at all levels. Everything is ramping up. Everyone has to pick up their game or get quickly left behind.
NU at Lincoln had a real opportunity to catch an attention wave now with its roundball program with the football program down in the dumps. That round ball will never be a match for the pigskin one that the State loves so much. But they really had a window here to put the program on the State and National map in a way that it has never been. But that once juicy opportunity now appears to be disappearing.
As the Illini have proven with their stellar AD... if you haven’t got one like this you got nothin’. The entire sports program succeeds or fails in whether you have the right person at the top (college programs or pro). They bring in the right coaches who bring in the right players who carry out the right vision set down by the coaches.
The sports climate these days is more competitive than it has even been for talent and attention at all levels. Everything is ramping up. Everyone has to pick up their game or get quickly left behind.
And ordered to serve any penalty given to Kansas.
Nebraska is an Elite volleyball school...
I thought Hoiberg did a legitimately good job at ISU, and think the implication that he took over a well-oiled machine is absolutely laughable if you look at McDermott's actual track record at ISU. Does that make me a delusional Hoiberg fan, or a guy who can use Google? You decide.
Hoiberg wasn’t given the type of roster he wanted with the bulls. He had multiple ball dominant players who couldn’t shoot.
He was in the process of trying to build that at Nebraska, and rebuilds take time, so with these violations he might be fired before the fruits of his labor are shown.
It’s also possible that he’s still a really good coach and evaluator of talent, but Nebraska just isn’t a place that will ever be consistently good at basketball.
He was in the process of trying to build that at Nebraska, and rebuilds take time, so with these violations he might be fired before the fruits of his labor are shown.
It’s also possible that he’s still a really good coach and evaluator of talent, but Nebraska just isn’t a place that will ever be consistently good at basketball.
Just kind of guessing that Nebraska isn’t the easiest place to recruit. Beach houses just aren’t that great.
In most estimations, dropping from the big 12 to the MVC is a demotion, so I'm not sure how poaching comes to mind.
Is it possible that they were hiring him based on his track record at Northern Iowa, another mid-major program? Are we sure his three consecutive years going 4-12 in the Big 12 is what did it?
Also he had to deal with GarPax which is possibly the worst front office ever in history.
Creighton is hardly a step down from ISU in terms of salary or prestige as a hoops program, and he got a significant pay bump to make the move.
I believe the year Greg moved to Creighton, he brought his son (future consensus NPOY, Doug) with him. My guess is that the brass at Creighton also believed doing so would give them at least a punchers chance with the #1 recruit in the country, Harrison Barnes (Doug's H.S. teammate)
100K bump according to reports. but a long contract.
This debate pretty much started with the question as to how good Hoiberg was. Of course, compared to McDermott, who never had a winning season in four years at ISU, he's a gem. There's certainly a fair argument with virtually any coach that they succeeded in a particular way at a particular school that isn't replicatable. As to Hoiberg and the transfer success, that might be a big issue as the transfer market is much different than in 2010.
I have no idea how good a coach he is. But it's hardly ridiculous for an AD to look at what he did in BFISU and think he might be a good fit for Nebraska.
What does a penalty to Kansas GENERALLY entail?
A finger wag? A slightly stern talking to? A hand written
letter letting them know just how disappointed they are?
I've got to cast my vote...between two posters here who I really enjoy their takes on all things Illini, this Fred Hoiberg argument goes to Juiceman, hands down
Of course, now that Alberts has announced that the NCAA is not investigating Nebraska, the brilliant knobs in Indy will launch an investigation because, obviously, Nebraska is doing something wrong that should be investigated.
Creighton is a Big East school. Not a demotion.
At the time they weren't.
That has yet to be determined
Divot you get a Like for the Typhoid Mary-bit alone. Makes me wanna fire up the Victrola and later take Annabelle out to see one of those talkies the kids are all taking about.
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A top seed playing somewhere other than Kansas City in the first round.
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He didn't get the Bulls job because he was a pretty good player.
Probably should have tempered "powerhouse" a bit. But they seemed to be ranked and had pretty good success, most importantly relative to us.
Not sure you realize that the great program he built in ISU is what got him the Bulls job.
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