Pregame: Big Ten Tournament

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That graphic was incorrect when it was shown on Friday night (Creighton has won 20 games for 10 straight years, maybe others at six or more) and will be even more incorrect by the end of the season as more teams win their 20th this year (on Saturday Kansas won their 20th game, extending their streak to 36 years!). It's certainly a positive reflection on the program, but there are more than four teams that have consistently won 20 games longer than the Illini.
Think they said regular season (not including conference tournament or other post season tournaments). I don’t recall if it was on the graphic or not.
 
#102      
Nah, 20 wins is not random. It's nearly two-thirds of your games. It's almost always tournament worthy if you're in a power conference.

It just doesn't happen to mean as much as winning conference records, championships, or tournament appearance/victories. That's why it's not talked about as much.
I think this is a reasonable interpretation of that stat.

But if you compare our tournament record over the past six seasons to that of Gonzaga, Houston, and SDSU, I doubt we're giving it as much of our collective attention.
 
#103      
How do you just winners then? We're one of four teams that consistently win 20 games. How many BTT championships and regular season banners have we had over the last six seasons?

We have an asterisk that only three other programs have. The obviously elite. However, because we've only been to one elite 8 over the past six years.... we're not being judged as winners?

By your standards, how many programs are winning programs? Purdue went to a Final, but lost to a 16 the previous year. Is there an asterisk there?

Outside of UConn, how many programs how many programs just had a great season, but aren't winners?

You've pretty much nailed you definition of winners to about 2% of all collegiate programs.

Tough grader, I guess.
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BTW, I agree with the post.
 
#104      
20 wins a season with a more modern schedule (4-5 P2 teams, not just 11 cupcakes) is a real feat. 20 used to be the number that was seen as the cutoff line for making the tournament, which is why people played so many cupcakes.

We had 3 non-con losses to top 5 teams which is pretty crazy. Teams are getting penalized for playing weak schedules in the non-con now. It's all metric-based, and if you play a lot of good teams and exceed expectations, they will look favorably on you.
 
#105      
I like our draw. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I would love to see us get another game against Maryland. If we're really worth our salt and have legitimate aspirations for a long run in the NCAA tournament, we should be able to play a better game and send them packing.
I completely agree.. Maryland is good but not great. We were in a bad bad situation that game and hurting. They really have no clue what they will be up against if we are at full strength. Got to get one of Reese or Queen in foul trouble early.
 
#107      
I completely agree.. Maryland is good but not great. We were in a bad bad situation that game and hurting. They really have no clue what they will be up against if we are at full strength. Got to get one of Reese or Queen in foul trouble early.
Maybe but Reese has killed us in 3 straight games now going back to last year.

I'll believe that we won't get bullied by Maryland when I see it. Personally, I think Maryland is the worst matchup for Illinois in the Big10.

Also, I think Maryland has flown a bit under the radar this season. I think they are one of the few teams in the Big10 capable of making a Big10 run(Michigan State now with Richardson, Wisconsin, Maryland, and maybe Oregon because of Altman are the other big teams I think could do something March).

Purdue, Michigan, and UCLA are all varying levels of mediocre in my opinion.
 
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I completely agree.. Maryland is good but not great. We were in a bad bad situation that game and hurting. They really have no clue what they will be up against if we are at full strength. Got to get one of Reese or Queen in foul trouble early.
I always like getting another chance to beat teams that we've lost to during the season. Beating them the second or third time we play them has a kind of cleansing feeling to me.
 
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I dont love that reason, but at least it's a reason I guess.
Yeah, I understand the reason, but I thought one of the reasons for an end of the conference season tournament was to let a team that didn’t play so well at the beginning of the season, but ended hot, would have the opportunity to win the tournament and be able to get an NCAA bid. Something the 98-99 team almost did (3-13 conference but went all the way to the BTT title game). Or was that not the way it worked and I just thought that all these years.

Edit: As I was reading through this thread, I realized that only 3 teams didn’t make the tournament, so I guess it isn’t as bad as I thought.
 
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I like our draw. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I would love to see us get another game against Maryland. If we're really worth our salt and have legitimate aspirations for a long run in the NCAA tournament, we should be able to play a better game and send them packing.
Totally agree. If we win, which I think is possible if we shoot decent from three, then we probably move up a seed. If we lose, which is probably equally possible due to matchups, then no harm we probably stay on the 6 line with a couple extra days rest. No lose situation as far as I'm concerned.
 
#115      
Must admit I have mixed feelings about the B1G Tourney. Would love to add another title to the collection Brad has accumulated, but playing 4 games in 4 days with a short bench and some guys that have spent the better part of a month in sick bay seems counter-productive to a deep run in the NCAAs. Heck, even just as a fan it is exhausting. Guess that's when the Fletch advantage kicks in for the players and some sort of sedative for me.
It also means guys like DGL and Davis certainly will get more minutes the deeper we go. Which could pay off in the NCAAs. All that said, I'll be rooting for a win each time out, which probably means I have some sort of personality disorder.
 
#116      
Must admit I have mixed feelings about the B1G Tourney. Would love to add another title to the collection Brad has accumulated, but playing 4 games in 4 days with a short bench and some guys that have spent the better part of a month in sick bay seems counter-productive to a deep run in the NCAAs. Heck, even just as a fan it is exhausting. Guess that's when the Fletch advantage kicks in for the players and some sort of sedative for me.
It also means guys like DGL and Davis certainly will get more minutes the deeper we go. Which could pay off in the NCAAs. All that said, I'll be rooting for a win each time out, which probably means I have some sort of personality disorder.
I absolutely get this thought process. I was thinking, getting to Saturday would be great. The question, does playing against PU again, or anyone Saturday, prepare the team better than a practice would? I think yes.
 
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Maybe but Reese has killed us in 3 straight games now going back to last year.

I'll believe that we won't get bullied by Maryland when I see it. Personally, I think Maryland is the worst matchup for Illinois in the Big10.

Also, I think Maryland has flown a bit under the radar this season. I think they are one of the few teams in the Big10 capable of making a Big10 run(Michigan State now with Richardson, Wisconsin, Maryland, and maybe Oregon because of Altman are the other big teams I think could do something March).

Purdue, Michigan, and UCLA are all varying levels of mediocre in my opinion.
Maryland's achilles heel, in my view, is their lack of depth. They are good, but to win 3 in a row, if they were to beat Illinois, is a tall order. And I agree with your comment about the match up situation between Illinois and Maryland.
 
#118      
Congratulations on a great season then I guess. That’s not how winners are judged. Not hanging banners for it either. It’s an asterisk for a program that had a good run, that’s it.
I disagree, its the journey that makes if fun. Championships are the cherry on top.
 
#119      
Indiana playing in just one BTT championship game will never stop being funny.
It's absolutely hilarious.

Indiana BTT Historical "Dominance":
0 BTT Titles in 26 seasons
0 Finals appearances in the past 24 years
0.395 Win Pct, a better record than only doormat Northwestern of the original B10 teams.

For a fanbase that still thinks they're B10 royalty, to not even win a BTT Semifinals game in 24 years is just beyond laughable. They're basically Minnesota in the BTT, just worse, haha.
 
#120      
It's absolutely hilarious.

Indiana BTT Historical "Dominance":
0 BTT Titles in 26 seasons
0 Finals appearances in the past 24 years
0.395 Win Pct, a better record than only doormat Northwestern of the original B10 teams.

For a fanbase that still thinks they're B10 royalty, to not even win a BTT Semifinals game in 24 years is just beyond laughable. They're basically Minnesota in the BTT, just worse, haha.
Indiana must be suffering from the Curse of Bobby Knight. Knight was against the Big Ten Tournament from the beginning and said he doesn’t care if his team wins it or not.
 
#121      
By the way, for all the Maryland talk going on, we have to beat OSU first (unless Iowa pulls off a shocking upset). They haven't been playing well of late but they have shown signs of waking up. They also have been better on the road than at home this season, winning @Mackey and beating Kentucky and Texas on Neutral courts. While we should still beat OSU when we're playing our best, I do not expect them to be a pushover whatsoever, especially if they get some confidence after playing an Iowa team that can't defend. Gut feel is OSU will give us all we can ask for, and it'll be good to see how we respond and close them out in a tournament environment.
 
#122      
A bit conflicted on which team I would rather play. On one hand, I think beating Iowa would be easier, a lot of my friends are Iowa fans so that would be more fun for me personally and I want the Illini/Iowa rivalry to regain some of its steam that it has lost since the Hawkeyes descended into the bottom tier of the league.

However ... Iowa is #65 in the NET Rankings, and they stand zero chance of getting into Quad 1 territory (top 50). Meanwhile, Ohio State is #36 and will very likely end the year as a Quad 1 opponent. I'm going to rationalize that if we play and beat Iowa, it makes it less likely we rise up to the #4/#5 seed line, so that is who I want to play! :ROFLMAO:
 
#123      
It's absolutely hilarious.

Indiana BTT Historical "Dominance":
0 BTT Titles in 26 seasons
0 Finals appearances in the past 24 years
0.395 Win Pct, a better record than only doormat Northwestern of the original B10 teams.

For a fanbase that still thinks they're B10 royalty, to not even win a BTT Semifinals game in 24 years is just beyond laughable. They're basically Minnesota in the BTT, just worse, haha.
Even funnier that they have had the "easiest situation" of all conference teams since the BTT began, too, as it moved to ONLY Indy for several years!
 
#125      
By the way, for all the Maryland talk going on, we have to beat OSU first (unless Iowa pulls off a shocking upset). They haven't been playing well of late but they have shown signs of waking up. They also have been better on the road than at home this season, winning @Mackey and beating Kentucky and Texas on Neutral courts. While we should still beat OSU when we're playing our best, I do not expect them to be a pushover whatsoever, especially if they get some confidence after playing an Iowa team that can't defend. Gut feel is OSU will give us all we can ask for, and it'll be good to see how we respond and close them out in a tournament environment.
Thank you. Last game we were down 6 at half and still down 4 with 8 minutes left. Then outscored them by 12 from that point to win. Reminiscent of Purdue but started the comeback earlier.

Never out of it of course, by any means, but let's please not look past them.
 
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