Pregame: Illinois at Indiana, Saturday, September 20th, 6:30pm CT, NBC

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I wanna believe it, but a lot of folks thought Indiana couldn't keep doing it week after week last year. And for the most part, they did, with a lot of them being fairly decisive wins, iirc.

(Though the same was kinda true about us, too, with people thinking we couldn't keep winning with late heroics)
Yea, because their schedule was awful last year. A home game against last year's Illinois team would have been far-and-away their 2nd toughest game of last year - this year it's like maybe their ~4th toughest game and that's with Illinois being a lot better.

Seriously, go look at their schedule from last year. A team will likely never see as easy of a Big Ten schedule for a long time, and it was combined with a joke of a non-conference slate.
 
#402      
I think some are overvaluing a single season of great defense (and referring to said single season as 'Cignetti's entire tenure'... okay)

On defense, IU lost half their starters up front as well as the entire secondary, if what I've read is correct. They've given up 115 yds/gm on the ground to... well... Old Dominion, Kennesaw State and Indiana State.

I'll go ILL 33 IU 27
They have a very good edge player (Kamara; 10 sacks and 15 TFL last season), and very good CB (Ponds).

Their RT spot has been a evolving door and could be a bit of a weakness.
 
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Not sure if the records reflect, but under Bret it sure feels like we’ve been a great road team. We’ve put some stinkers up at home but we seem to show up for road games.
Taking a trip down memory lane, with losses in red and wins in green ... here are our road games under Bret:

2021: Illini are a 5-7 regular season team in Bret's first year
L 14-42 at Virginia
L 9-13 at Purdue

W 20-18 in 9OT at #7 Penn State
W 14-6 at #20 Minnesota

L 23-33 at #17 Iowa

2022: Illini are an 8-4 regular season team that spends 4 weeks ranked
L 20-23 at Indiana
W 34-10 at Wisconsin
W 26-9 at Nebraska

L 17-19 at #3 Michigan
W 41-3 at Northwestern

2023: Illini are a 5-7 team with a bit of a regression from 2022
L 23-34 at Kansas
L 19-44 at Purdue

W 27-24 at Maryland
W 27-26 at Minnesota

L 13-15 at #16 Iowa

2024: Illini are a 9-3 regular season team that spends 8 weeks ranked
W 31-24 in OT at #22 Nebraska
L 7-21 at #9 Penn State
L 9-38 at #1 Oregon

W 38-31 at Rutgers
W 38-28 "at" Northwestern
(played at Wrigley in front of 90% Illini fans, lol ... still away from home!)

2025: Illini are 4-0 and have been ranked all 4 weeks
W 45-19 at Duke

So an overall road record of 11-10, including 3 top 25 wins. Of the 10 losses, 1 was the TRAVESTY at Indiana in 2022 where we not only had a clear TD taken away from us, but we also had a CLEARLY good FG not counted, which ended up being IU's margin of victory. Of the remaining 9 losses, 5 of them were to teams ranked #17 or higher, and 3 of those 5 (2022 at Michigan, 2023 at Iowa and 2024 at PSU) were one-possession games with just minutes to go in the fourth quarter ... with the 2022 Michigan loss being a particularly egregious screw job where we didn't surrender our lead until the final seconds. Even of the two-score losses (which have thankfully been rare), the only games where we just literally didn't show up and got punked were 2021 at Virginia (Bret's very first road game with a 5-7 team) and at #1 Oregon last year.

I think it is definitely fair to say that Bret has had these guys remarkably prepared for your average road game, and I expect nothing less on Saturday. Indiana might win, but that will be because they are a good team and playing at home in a frenzied atmosphere. I do NOT think it will be because their super athletes just trample us from the get-go and we never adjust. I hope I don't eat my words, but I am confident that this squad will do everything it takes to be in this game for all four quarters, regardless of outcome.
 
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After reading all the comments from Indinia fans on this thread and other places, I’ve come to the conclusion that they have now surpassed Notre Dame fans in their arrogance. Despite my dislike of Cignetti, he is a good coach and they are a good team, but they are not the second coming of 1980’s Oklahoma. I don’t know if Illinois is better but I really hope we win this game just to shut them up.
 
#405      
I read IU returns 8 of 22 starters but I'm sure they plugged in guys off last years bench and in the portal. Illini returned 16 or 17 starters, have done it the same with all the same staff. I see ND had 35 carries and 5.5 a carry. Anyway, time will tell. They better stop the run and respect the fact Luke like many are here in the third year in this system. To me those are bigger factors than they seem to be to you. Anyway. ILL!
Again, ND had a 99 yard TD run on the their first run of the game when IU's safety fell down taking a bad angle. After that they were held to 94 yards on their remaining 34 carriers for <3 ypc. ND had one of, if not the best rushing attack in the country last year. Nobody has been able to methodically control the ball and clock under DC Bryant Haines. ND won that game because they had the secondary personnel to cover one on one while they consistently brought 7-8 guys and got home on an immobile QB. OSU was successful in doing this as well and won despite having one of their worst offensive outputs of the entire season.
 
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Taking a trip down memory lane, with losses in red and wins in green ... here are our road games under Bret:

2021: Illini are a 5-7 regular season team in Bret's first year
L 14-42 at Virginia
L 9-13 at Purdue

W 20-18 in 9OT at #7 Penn State
W 14-6 at #20 Minnesota

L 23-33 at #17 Iowa

2022: Illini are an 8-4 regular season team that spends 4 weeks ranked
L 20-23 at Indiana
W 34-10 at Wisconsin
W 26-9 at Nebraska

L 17-19 at #3 Michigan
W 41-3 at Northwestern

2023: Illini are a 5-7 team with a bit of a regression from 2022
L 23-34 at Kansas
L 19-44 at Purdue

W 27-24 at Maryland
W 27-26 at Minnesota

L 13-15 at #16 Iowa

2024: Illini are a 9-3 regular season team that spends 8 weeks ranked
W 31-24 in OT at #22 Nebraska
L 7-21 at #9 Penn State
L 9-38 at #1 Oregon

W 38-31 at Rutgers
W 38-28 "at" Northwestern
(played at Wrigley in front of 90% Illini fans, lol ... still away from home!)

2025: Illini are 4-0 and have been ranked all 4 weeks
W 45-19 at Duke

So an overall road record of 11-10, including 3 top 25 wins. Of the 10 losses, 1 was the TRAVESTY at Indiana in 2022 where we not only had a clear TD taken away from us, but we also had a CLEARLY good FG not counted, which ended up being IU's margin of victory. Of the remaining 9 losses, 5 of them were to teams ranked #17 or higher, and 3 of those 5 (2022 at Michigan, 2023 at Iowa and 2024 at PSU) were one-possession games with just minutes to go in the fourth quarter ... with the 2022 Michigan loss being a particularly egregious screw job where we didn't surrender our lead until the final seconds. Even of the two-score losses (which have thankfully been rare), the only games where we just literally didn't show up and got punked were 2021 at Virginia (Bret's very first road game with a 5-7 team) and at #1 Oregon last year.

I think it is definitely fair to say that Bret has had these guys remarkably prepared for your average road game, and I expect nothing less on Saturday. Indiana might win, but that will be because they are a good team and playing at home in a frenzied atmosphere. I do NOT think it will be because their super athletes just trample us from the get-go and we never adjust. I hope I don't eat my words, but I am confident that this squad will do everything it takes to be in this game for all four quarters, regardless of outcome.
2023 Iowa had an egregious call where a clear-as-can-be first down was ruled back in the 4th QTR. Could've easily been a TD and cost us 4 points (in what ended up a 2 point finish).

Illinois led the entire 2nd half until the final two minutes IIRC.
 
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Yea, because their schedule was awful last year. A home game against last year's Illinois team would have been far-and-away their 2nd toughest game of last year - this year it's like maybe their ~4th toughest game and that's with Illinois being a lot better.

Seriously, go look at their schedule from last year. A team will likely never see as easy of a Big Ten schedule for a long time, and it was combined with a joke of a non-conference slate.
And they pd $500k to get out of a home and home with VA and replaced it with Ind. St. Why pay that and run from a reasonable challenge that was on the schedule if the Coach and AD are confident?
 
#408      
Last night I re-watched the first half of our bowl game vs South Carolina.
Granted, that team had the full season to gel and synch with each other,
but otoh, they had a month off and were a bit rusty.
And they were only ranked 20 at the time.
I am concerned because IMVHO that team looked clearly better than our current #9 team.
So, I'm just hoping Coach B can coach them up to play their best going forward.
Getting Laughery and Rosiek back should help, too.
 
#409      
Again, ND had a 99 yard TD run on the their first run of the game when IU's safety fell down taking a bad angle. After that they were held to 94 yards on their remaining 34 carriers for <3 ypc. ND had one of, if not the best rushing attack in the country last year. Nobody has been able to methodically control the ball and clock under DC Bryant Haines. ND won that game because they had the secondary personnel to cover one on one while they consistently brought 7-8 guys and got home on an immobile QB. OSU was successful in doing this as well and won despite having one of their worst offensive outputs of the entire season.
Ok if we just randomly take out 100 yards of offense from one of only 2 good teams Indiana played last year, then I'm pretty sure I could find 100 yards of offense to take away from Penn State that makes Illinois win that game, which likely results in them getting Indiana's playoff spot even as a 2 loss team, so that negates the entire "Indiana vs. ND" game in the first place.

This is going to be fun on Saturday. These Hoosiers (and i'm using it in the derogatory St. Louis way) truly have no idea what's coming.
 
#410      
the one thing this team has consistently done this year, albeit against mediocre opponents, is not turn the ball over. We have been elite at limiting silly mistakes (frankly, the Brown roughing call that gifted Duke first and goal is the only serious one I can remember).

That trait alone makes me confident that, at worst, it’ll be a close game. I don’t foresee this team losing by double digits. And considering the rest of positives this team has, hard to not have confidence that we will win.
 
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Ok if we just randomly take out 100 yards of offense from one of only 2 good teams Indiana played last year, then I'm pretty sure I could find 100 yards of offense to take away from Penn State that makes Illinois win that game, which likely results in them getting Indiana's playoff spot even as a 2 loss team, so that negates the entire "Indiana vs. ND" game in the first place.

This is going to be fun on Saturday. These Hoosiers (and i'm using it in the derogatory St. Louis way) truly have no idea what's coming.
I'm not talking about total yardage, I'm talking about a teams ability to methodically control and pound the ball against IU's defense as the poster I responded too suggested. It hasn't happened under Cignetti's watch. When a team has more than half of their total rushing yards on a single carry, it further reinforces that. IU is susceptible to giving up an explosion play or two, that's football, but I've yet to see a team play ball control and dominate IU up front.
 
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Again, ND had a 99 yard TD run on the their first run of the game when IU's safety fell down taking a bad angle. After that they were held to 94 yards on their remaining 34 carriers for <3 ypc. ND had one of, if not the best rushing attack in the country last year. Nobody has been able to methodically control the ball and clock under DC Bryant Haines. ND won that game because they had the secondary personnel to cover one on one while they consistently brought 7-8 guys and got home on an immobile QB. OSU was successful in doing this as well and won despite having one of their worst offensive outputs of the entire season.
It's all good. Fun to discuss these points of view. I have zero doubt IU s defense will improve as the season goes on. They both should barring injuries. That said to me it's a big deal that the majority of Indianas starting units have only started 3 games together on both sides of the ball and its the 4th game for a good qb in a new system vs a very good cosching staff and experinced team. That is not the case on for our offense, defense or our QB who has gotten much better each season. I imagine all things will be true for your team and qb too the more they get more experience playing together. I'm glad we play them early this B10 season because I feel the will get better every game vs better opponents. Maybe that's one reason they didn't play Va because they can overcome blown assignments and win while the gel to start the year. ILL...
 
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It's all good. Fun to discuss these points of view. I have zero doubt IU s defense will improve as the season goes on. They both should barring injuries. That said to me it's a big deal that the majority of Indianas starting units have only started 3 games together on both sides of the ball and its the 4th game for a good qb in a new system vs a very good cosching staff and experinced team. That is not the case on for our offense, defense or our QB who has gotten much better each season. I imagine all things will be true for your team and qb too the more they get more experience playing together. I'm glad we play them early this B10 season because I feel the will get better every game vs better opponents. Maybe that's one reason they didn't play Va because they can overcome blown assignments and win while the gel to start the year. ILL...
The Virginia series was scheduled for 2027 and 2028 so had no bearing on this years team. Understand your point on familiarity and cohesiveness early in the season, I just don't believe it's as big of an emphasis as some make it out to be. There are still plenty of players who saw heavy rotation snaps last year on this years team not too mention several starters.
 
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The Virginia series was scheduled for 2027 and 2028 so had no bearing on this years team. Understand your point on familiarity and cohesiveness early in the season, I just don't believe it's as big of an emphasis as some make it out to be. There are still plenty of players who saw heavy rotation snaps last year on this years team not too mention several starters.
Coach Saban does and has mentioned basically exactly what I'm saying when he discusses Illinois towards the end of last season and thus season. He also talks about all the same staff too. I feel it's a huge reason we were ranked so high to start 2025 it's easier to predict our performance with 75% of the starters, 3rd year starting qb. more depth and the same staff.
 
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And they pd $500k to get out of a home and home with VA and replaced it with Ind. St. Why pay that and run from a reasonable challenge that was on the schedule if the Coach and AD are confident?
All about the $$$ . . . an extra home game with what is now a sold out (or nearly) Memorial Stadium = 50,000 x ticket price.
 
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When I moved from Illinois to Indiana back in the 90s, it was explained to me that people in Indiana claim whoever is winning. Used to be most loved IU basketball and Notre Dame football. Now most love Purdue basketball
 
#420      
Your last sentence does not jibe with your posts about the Purdue road trip ;). But different teams, as you say. I-L-L

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lol. We'd chosen that one and bought tickets long before Kansas and Penn State schooled us in September.

Much different teams. I am hoping for a dramatically better football outcome in the State of Indiana two years on.
 
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Indiana has blown out every team at home under Cig except Michigan which was a tussle.
Nebraska last year is the only team that Indiana blew out which finished the season above .500. I don’t think it is particularly relevant how Indiana performed against the Murderers Row of Purdue, FIU, Western Ill, Northwestern, Maryland, Kennesaw St. and Indiana St.

Indiana is good. They’re not 1990s era Nebraska.
 
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Nebraska last year is the only team that Indiana blew out which finished the season above .500. I don’t think it is particularly relevant how Indiana performed against the Murderers Row of Purdue, FIU, Western Ill, Northwestern, Maryland, Kennesaw St. and Indiana St.

Indiana is good. They’re not 1990s era Nebraska.
But an unusual number of their fans have registered on Loyalty and assured us they're unstoppable.

Are you suggesting that they're unreliable narrators? Or simply insecure? ;)
 
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I'm not talking about total yardage, I'm talking about a teams ability to methodically control and pound the ball against IU's defense as the poster I responded too suggested. It hasn't happened under Cignetti's watch. When a team has more than half of their total rushing yards on a single carry, it further reinforces that. IU is susceptible to giving up an explosion play or two, that's football, but I've yet to see a team play ball control and dominate IU up front.
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#425      
so animal mascot borrowed from colorado and prop taken from oklahoma. do they think they were in the old big 8?

(had to google to make sure i had my schools right. i didn't know iowa was a part of the conference that became big 8 and 12.)
 
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