Pregame: Illinois at Ohio State, Sunday, January 3rd, 4:00pm CT, BTN

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Dan

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Illinois at Ohio State
Sunday, January 3rd
4:00pm CT
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FeelYourPaign

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Watching buck nuts vs minny right now. They like to go inside more than we do. (Surprising, right?) Beating minny at home, but not by a whole bunch. Not conceding anything, just saying we won't be favored
 
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Watching the Ohio state game....can someone please tell me how Lyle couldn't get in three different schools but he is playing at Ohio State?
 
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SuperMetroid

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Jules said:
Watching the Ohio state game....can someone please tell me how Lyle couldn't get in three different schools but he is playing at Ohio State?
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Because people ain't come to Ohio State to play school.
 
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We need Gene Hackman from Hoosiers to walk in our practice gym, toss out all the basketballs and drill our players on fundamentals, toughness and conditioning. Period.

Coach Groce, please scrap your current practice plans and "fundamental" these guys until they get it. Teach them how to play the game, and how to play together. Please!
 
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GameOfThrows said:
We need Gene Hackman from Hoosiers to walk in our practice gym, toss out all the basketballs and drill our players on fundamentals, toughness and conditioning. Period.

Coach Groce, please scrap your current practice plans and "fundamental" these guys until they get it. Teach them how to play the game, and how to play together. Please!
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Yeah, and the picket fence play. Why don't we ever run that? :thumb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU0BebHh5LY
 
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FeelYourPaign said:
They like to go inside more than we do.
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Probably true for most B10 teams. :(

Regarding the game: we stay close for the first half and are down by less than five at halftime. In the second half, we get the score run up on us and end up losing by 10-15 points. AJ has a productive night and MM gets a statline of 3 fouls and 1 rebound in 16 minutes. Rayvonte Rice is in the crowd, and catches an errant loose ball. He chucks it from his seat and drains the shot. It is by far the coolest thing to happen that day.
 
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We seem on a collision course for an 0-4 start. I'd be mildly happy to see us stay in it till the end on Sunday. Hoping OSU's young guns play complacently expecting an easy win to give us a chance.
 
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491illinois said:
http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2015/12...-the-illini-given-up-on-head-coach-john-groce
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We are a jump shooting team with no inside presence that plays no defense. In order to win games against decent teams we have to shoot our jump shots at an extremely high level, otherwise, we will lose. I think it is just coincidence that we see it happening in the second half. It could happen anytime during the game, and actually has, but the tendency has been for it to be more prevalent in the second half.
 
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URH Snyder 490

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Unless Groce is doing something drastically different in the first half of every game I'm having trouble with coaching as the main reason for second half collapses. After all the advanced scouting in the B1G is among the best around. So the other teams are very prepared for what we do in the first half as much if not more so than the second half aren't they?

So that coaching and prep is working very well given our first half success against more talented teams I think?

I have never coached so I may very well be showing how much I don't know-I'm wrong a lot-but I'm wondering how many different adjustments are made at halftime of games. And if the team is good in the first half of the next game were those adjustments finally made but after the fact?
 
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blmillini said:
We are a jump shooting team with no inside presence that plays no defense. In order to win games against decent teams we have to shoot our jump shots at an extremely high level, otherwise, we will lose. I think it is just coincidence that we see it happening in the second half. It could happen anytime during the game, and actually has, but the tendency has been for it to be more prevalent in the second half.
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To me, if you see first half teams or players, it's mental. Good teams close out games, and bad ones look good early. Adjustments make a difference, and sometimes a big difference, but usually it's competitive will to keep hustling and executing, and out-working your opponent, who will also try to up his execution when the game is on the line. Great teams will make a late push when they're down, or close down an opponent doing the same. Soft teams will be the ones on the wrong end of it. Most teams fall somewhere in between, but as the season goes on, a pattern usually emerges of how hard they fight that tells you a lot about the team.
 
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Calvin said:
To me, if you see first half teams or players, it's mental. Good teams close out games, and bad ones look good early. Adjustments make a difference, and sometimes a big difference, but usually it's competitive will to keep hustling and executing, and out-working your opponent, who will also try to up his execution when the game is on the line. Great teams will make a late push when they're down, or close down an opponent doing the same. Soft teams will be the ones on the wrong end of it. Most teams fall somewhere in between, but as the season goes on, a pattern usually emerges of how hard they fight that tells you a lot about the team.
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I agree and would argue that is we do see a trend more in the second half, it is because the other team has picked up their defensive intensity and we have not. I see that as the "Achilles heel" of this team (lack of defense).
 
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URH Snyder 490 said:
Unless Groce is doing something drastically different in the first half of every game I'm having trouble with coaching as the main reason for second half collapses. After all the advanced scouting in the B1G is among the best around. So the other teams are very prepared for what we do in the first half as much if not more so than the second half aren't they?

So that coaching and prep is working very well given our first half success against more talented teams I think?

I have never coached so I may very well be showing how much I don't know-I'm wrong a lot-but I'm wondering how many different adjustments are made at halftime of games. And if the team is good in the first half of the next game were those adjustments finally made but after the fact?
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Actual coaching adjustments are normally pretty noticeable. They usually include changing the offense, changing the defense, switching defensive assignments or changing the lineup. More subtle adjustments might include getting the ball inside more or playing with more intensity at either end. We tend to see teams attack the basket and play with more intensity more than anything else. We have a tendency to sometimes try to do attack the basket off the dribble and/or increase intensity but we don't attack the basket off the dribble very well and sometime increasing intensity works and sometimes it does not.
 
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URH Snyder 490

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blmillini said:
Actual coaching adjustments are normally pretty noticeable. They usually include changing the offense, changing the defense, switching defensive assignments or changing the lineup. More subtle adjustments might include getting the ball inside more or playing with more intensity at either end. We tend to see teams attack the basket and play with more intensity more than anything else. We have a tendency to sometimes try to do attack the basket off the dribble and/or increase intensity but we don't attack the basket off the dribble very well and sometime increasing intensity works and sometimes it does not.
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Yes, I see these too. I put that more on the execution than the coaching, but that's just my observation and nothing more tangible than that. I see the team being better at those things in the first half than the second, so to me it looks like a team stretched thin which really limits their options, and desperately leaning on a few players leaves them tired later in games.
 
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URH Snyder 490 said:
Yes, I see these too. I put that more on the execution than the coaching, but that's just my observation and nothing more tangible than that. I see the team being better at those things in the first half than the second, so to me it looks like a team stretched thin which really limits their options, and desperately leaning on a few players leaves them tired later in games.
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I believe it is more the case the coaching staff has failed to create a balanced roster and develop players.

It seems that many opposing coaches stress to their players that they must take the ball to the hoop in the second half and maybe their level of success is partially related to conditioning on our side but I assume it is also related to a lack of interior defense on our side as well.

Additionally, I believe the increased intensity is what we see from other teams defenses as well. That is making sure they put more pressure on our shooters, which tends to then impact our shooting percentage and since we are almost exclusively a jump shooting team, we don't have enough options to counter that aggressive defensive style. Ideally we would dribble drive or pass the ball inside when that happens but we're not real good at either and with our freedom to shoot, we are not disciplined about doing it even when we do have some success. We prefer the contested 3 over working for the easy 2 far too often.
 
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