Pregame: Illinois vs Charlotte, Saturday, October 2nd, 11:00am CT, BTN

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Just watched the UNC-Charlotte v. Middle Tennessee game. QB Reynolds is now the leading QB in their history (yards & TD's). Lots of good receivers with Dubose probably the favorite target... They look high flying and high powered...
 
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Petersen says Peters is still qb1....great, making poor decisions already and it's not even Tuesday yet.

Peters has taken 9 sacks, led zero touchdown drives, thrown 1 int and has completed around 48% of his passes.

His qbr is roughly 32.
 
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Petersen says Peters is still qb1....great, making poor decisions already and it's not even Tuesday yet.

Peters has taken 9 sacks, led zero touchdown drives, thrown 1 int and has completed around 48% of his passes.

His qbr is roughly 32.
I just dont understand why they are sticking with him still.
makes no sense to me at this point of the season with our record and his history.
 
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I just dont understand why they are sticking with him still.
makes no sense to me at this point of the season with our record and his history.
Its crazy. I can understand if we are playing a B1G team and try to confuse them by switching to Art on game day but this is Charlotte. It makes no sense
 
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RedRocksIllini

Morrison, CO
Petersen says Peters is still qb1....great, making poor decisions already and it's not even Tuesday yet.

Peters has taken 9 sacks, led zero touchdown drives, thrown 1 int and has completed around 48% of his passes.

His qbr is roughly 32.
32 is good, right?
 
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I just dont understand why they are sticking with him still.
makes no sense to me at this point of the season with our record and his history.
Art's got nothing either. Anytime he's making more than a checkdown it's just a throw of the dice where the ball is going to end up. And he certainly seemed to be operating a shorter playbook.

Peters gives you more stuff you can do.

I would all but guarantee our week 1 starter in 2022 will be an offseason transfer TBD.
 
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Art's got nothing either. Anytime he's making more than a checkdown it's just a throw of the dice where the ball is going to end up. And he certainly seemed to be operating a shorter playbook.

Peters gives you more stuff you can do.

I would all but guarantee our week 1 starter in 2022 will be an offseason transfer TBD.
What "stuff" has Peters been able to do so far, besides nearly getting Isaiah killed against Maryland?

Sorry, I can normally go along with your takes, but a QB with no TD passes in nearly 2.5 games is not providing more than his backup who, in 1.5 games, has more than no TDs.
 
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Petersen says Peters is still qb1....great, making poor decisions already and it's not even Tuesday yet.

Peters has taken 9 sacks, led zero touchdown drives, thrown 1 int and has completed around 48% of his passes.

His qbr is roughly 32.
It has been stated many times that the qb is a BB decision.
 
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orange100

time to hop on the wife
Personally not calling for anyone's job...yet. The D has made adjustments and improved. Let's see the O do the same. Love me some Blake Hayes but no one wants the punter to be the most exciting player.
It's a good point. Why has the D seemed able to adjust successfully so damned quickly, but not the O?
 
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Which is odd to me. Does the OC not know better than him considering he sees the QBs more during the week?

Maybe BB is constantly with the O at practice?
The Head Coach is in charge and makes the decisions that he desires to make. I suppose that is one that BB desires to make. Both he and TP have stated on more than one occasion that this is BB's decision. Take it up with him.
 
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Is it me, or is this season looking less exciting on a national level? Seems like there are typically a number of elite programs that can challenge for the title and there are more exciting darkhorse candidates trying to get to the CFP, but my sense of it is that Alabama is the gold standard, with Georgia the only team that looks like a serious challenger. Lotta season left, so there's always drama, but just using the eye test I don't see a team as deep and complete as AL, and a sizable drop-off between AL/GA and the other names.
This season is far more exciting than any other in a while. Bama looked very beatable against Florida, however I do agree that there is a sizable gap between UGA/Bama and the field. Ole Miss Bama should be a very good game this week and would absolutely make this season infinitely more exciting if Ole Miss can somehow pull it off. Ohio State and Clemson are not as good as we thought this year and there's a solid chance we could see new champions for the first time in forever in the ACC/B10. It's better than the last couple of years where you could predict the entire playoff field after Week 2.
 
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This season is far more exciting than any other in a while. Bama looked very beatable against Florida, however I do agree that there is a sizable gap between UGA/Bama and the field. Ole Miss Bama should be a very good game this week and would absolutely make this season infinitely more exciting if Ole Miss can somehow pull it off. Ohio State and Clemson are not as good as we thought this year and there's a solid chance we could see new champions for the first time in forever in the ACC/B10. It's better than the last couple of years where you could predict the entire playoff field after Week 2.
Three of the FBS playoff four will be from Alabama, UGA, tOSU, and Oklahoma. Like every year. Oregon and Notre Dame battling for the fourth spot. Only oddity is that Clemson is out. SSDD.
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
I just really really hope that BB is adaptable and learns from the last two weeks. The scared decision making can't happen anymore. Someone on the sidelines needs this chart, or something similar, and follow the instructions. It isn't a hard decision. The last two weeks have presented the most easy decision to make possible, and both times we made the worst possible call. It hurts because it was both the wrong decision AND the cowardly decision. Be aggressive, be entertaining, be smart.
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It hurts because it was both the wrong decision AND the cowardly decision. Be aggressive, be entertaining, be smart.View attachment 12367
This is what I never understand. This year's team isn't good. Ok, I get that. When that's the case, what are you actually scared of? You're going to make mistakes, that's a given, but why err on the side of being cautious when you have nothing to lose? If ever there was a time to err on the side of being bold or aggressive, it's when you have nothing to lose and everything to gain, which is pretty much the definition of Illinois football right now.
 
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I just really really hope that BB is adaptable and learns from the last two weeks. The scared decision making can't happen anymore. Someone on the sidelines needs this chart, or something similar, and follow the instructions. It isn't a hard decision. The last two weeks have presented the most easy decision to make possible, and both times we made the worst possible call. It hurts because it was both the wrong decision AND the cowardly decision. Be aggressive, be entertaining, be smart.View attachment 12367
So score or time left in game don’t play into the decision (not shown on this chart). The problem I have with charts like this is that they treat every team (offense and defense) the same — not taking them into consideration in decision making. I’m not saying that the Illini weren’t wrong when they punted, but I think decision making and probability for success would be different for say Alabama against Mercer than the Illini.

I’m also wondering if going for it both of those times regardless of outcome would have been enough for those who are pissed at BB. It seems like a lot of people seem to think if Illini had gone for it they would have made it, and they would have won. Certainly no guarantee that would have been the outcome given the Illini’s offensive struggles.
 
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danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
WRT the 4th down decision... does anyone have a version of those charts that accounts for the information from the current game? Certainly the optimal choice will also differ between a game with 15 total points and one that's a 40-40 shootout. If you're up 3-0 with 2 minutes left and have 4th and 3 from your own 20, I can't fathom that going for it would be the best decision from a winning point of view, even if it leads to the most net points for you.

I'm also curious what's optimized in that chart. Expected net points? That's good early on or in a close game, but obviously things change if you're down big late, holding on to a lead etc...

None of that's to downplay the usefulness of stats -- it's just to say that if we're going to suggest a stats-based approach, let's do it the right way.
 
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Illinir1

Camdenton, MO
I just really really hope that BB is adaptable and learns from the last two weeks. The scared decision making can't happen anymore. Someone on the sidelines needs this chart, or something similar, and follow the instructions. It isn't a hard decision. The last two weeks have presented the most easy decision to make possible, and both times we made the worst possible call. It hurts because it was both the wrong decision AND the cowardly decision. Be aggressive, be entertaining, be smart.View attachment 12367
Agree with everything you said, but let's not use this chart! Go for it on 4th and three from our own 5 yd. line???!!! Still, the point is the Staff should have and use a chart like this, with allowance for considerations like wind direction and wind speed, score of the game, time left in the game, etc. But the idea of having a chart like this is that when a "hard decision situation" comes up to make it an easy decision. In my opinion the situations late in the both the Maryland game, and the Purdue game (McCray), were both very strong "Go For It" situations. Especially for the reasons you said: "Be aggressive, be entertaining, be smart."
 
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So score or time left in game don’t play into the decision (not shown on this chart). The problem I have with charts like this is that they treat every team (offense and defense) the same — not taking them into consideration in decision making. I’m not saying that the Illini weren’t wrong when they punted, but I think decision making and probability for success would be different for say Alabama against Mercer than the Illini.

I’m also wondering if going for it both of those times regardless of outcome would have been enough for those who are pissed at BB. It seems like a lot of people seem to think if Illini had gone for it they would have made it, and they would have won. Certainly no guarantee that would have been the outcome given the Illini’s offensive struggles.
I can only speak for myself, but I'd be fine with making the right or aggressive call and still losing. It happens.

I think game situation certainly matters, but more like if the game is not competitive, then punt it. If your goal at that point in the game is to score more points than the other team, which is the situation 95% of the time, then going for it is the right move. I suppose you could come up with an extreme scenario where a team has a bottom 5 offense in all of college football and a top 5 defense, but how often does that actually happen?
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
So score or time left in game don’t play into the decision (not shown on this chart). The problem I have with charts like this is that they treat every team (offense and defense) the same — not taking them into consideration in decision making. I’m not saying that the Illini weren’t wrong when they punted, but I think decision making and probability for success would be different for say Alabama against Mercer than the Illini.

I’m also wondering if going for it both of those times regardless of outcome would have been enough for those who are pissed at BB. It seems like a lot of people seem to think if Illini had gone for it they would have made it, and they would have won. Certainly no guarantee that would have been the outcome given the Illini’s offensive struggles.
On 4th and 1-3 between the opponents 30 and 50 yard line? No. I can't think of a scenario where punt the ball away is the obvious choice. It might make the decision more nerve-wracking, but that isn't a reason not to do it.

The chart isn't an end all, be all. I would look sideways at a coach that went for it on 4th and 3 from their own 10 yard line. But in terms of our 2 recent situations, they are two of the most blatant "you go for it every single time" scenarios in football.
 
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