maybe your rue will be lessened when you factor in that Rez would also have been a limiter of Ty's minutes as they wouldn't have been on the floor together much
Pregame: Illinois vs Michigan State, Saturday, February 15th, 7:00pm CT, FOX
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In. The. Alley.
Any reference to Jack is great (nice defense at end of AZ game BTW)
As a do-your-job guy, I get it.
Hard to get my head around the comparison as a player.
Illini in OC
In. The. Alley.
This is disappointing and - as a non-insider - news to me. I've always assumed Tre was physically down - nothing more - and preparing to come back strong.
I am a Tre fan and see him as a dependable, quiet, 20 min, 12/5/2 guy when playing the game BU wants from him.
It would be a waste if that kind of talent can't be channeled to fit in.
On another note, it's interesting how BU sees things so differently than us keyboard jockeys... Tre is (maybe) in the doghouse, Ben is free to attempt 20 3's per game and Jake's tic is steadily increasing. I trust Brad.
Tre fan as well. I think playing alongside KJ is tough as well as he is a ball dominant PG. Tre isn't the guy to shoot the 3 with the clock winding down. He is a mid-range shots and slasher. Those opportunities are limited.
He is a good rebounder and can catch it off the boards and start the break. Seems like him missing that driving bank shot against Nebraska(?) caused him to sit.
We are better with the better version of Tre.
blackdog
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Look people are dogging on Tre right now but the one thing that I can say from observation is that he hasn't been pouting. He still has been engaging with team mates on the bench and was celebrating in the locker room after the UCLA game. I'm sure it's hard to go from being a starter to not playing but hopefully he gets the message and gets back to filling his role.
Illini in Italy
- Illini HQ, Florida Panhandle
You absolutely don't want to go near the Bush Company in the winter time. They have "locals" performing there, and the talent is slim pickins. Of course, you really don't want to go there at all for the most part. Sometime over an adult beverage I'll share my Alaska Bush Company story . . . it still follows me to this day, and not in a bad way, just an embarrassing oneYeah, it is called the Great Alaskan Bush Company, but I am not sure they have a TV.
Tre white. So….i guess this means he plays a lot against MSU. It’s always against the grain.
So faking sick? And paid how much? Or does his NIL deal have sick days and paid vacation?
Yup, he was a 5 star for reason. And, he has shown some incredible flashes. I get Jake “does what they ask him” but that only raises the floor; whereas Tre, when clicking, can raise the ceiling of this team
Edit to add: Ben Humbrickhous is not in Brad’s doghouse and he’s been holding this team back, so no I don’t blindly “trust Brad”
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What’s interesting to me about Tre is as we’ve moved away from shooting so many 3’s and focused more on sets and cutting to the basket, I would think this would be his time to shine. He ought to get 10-12 points just off of cuts and putbacks.
I know Brad is putting his best lineup out there and playing to win, but to me it’s really important to keep Tre engaged. We will need him against Duke. I don’t think Morez or Ben have the footspeed to guard Flagg. Tre may not either but he might be our best bet. And I realize that’s just one game but we may very well see a team with a big, slashing wing/forward in the tourney at some point and I think Tre is our best big wing/forward defender.
I know Brad is putting his best lineup out there and playing to win, but to me it’s really important to keep Tre engaged. We will need him against Duke. I don’t think Morez or Ben have the footspeed to guard Flagg. Tre may not either but he might be our best bet. And I realize that’s just one game but we may very well see a team with a big, slashing wing/forward in the tourney at some point and I think Tre is our best big wing/forward defender.
Retro62
- North Bethesda, Maryland
The Sleepers podcast, which I recommend, gave their predictions about our game after a very good breakdown of where each team is right now. Greg, who’s a Michigan guy, told Carter, the MSU guy, to cover his ears and then predicted Illinois by 37…and he wasn’t joking. He thinks it’s going to be a beatdown.
I didn't take away "faking sick" from 0440's post but then I am getting old so maybe I missed something.
Really well against teams that like to take a fair number of 3's. But the two B1G teams that take the fewest 3's per game are Sparty and USC. Our record against them is 0-2.
Some good news: some of the B1G teams that shoot a lot of 3's (which our D is best against) are still upcoming.
3 attempts per game (per https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/three-pointers-attempted-per-game)
Illinois- 30
Wisconsin- 28
Iowa- 26
MIchigan- 26
Oregon- 23
Nebraska- 22
Maryland- 22
Rutgers- 22
OSU- 22
Purdue- 21
PSU- 21
UCLA- 21
NW- 20
Minnesota- 20
Washington- 20
Indiana- 20
MSU- 19
USC- 19
sacraig
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Probably closer to the truth that Brad said he was still sick longer than he actually was to allow him to save face rather than saying his playing time was reduced.
I went to an ABC while in Anchorage once on an emergency layover. I thought it stood for "Alaskan Beaver Club"Yeah, it is called the Great Alaskan Bush Company, but I am not sure they have a TV.
I hope you guys are wrong about Riley.
Why?,the goal for our players is for them to succeed and move on to the league which also helps with recruiting more NBA caliber players.
Agreed. I knew we were in trouble for the Rutgers game when Tre was out along with Harper being back. Tre is one of our better wing defenders. We need him in the rotation
We are WAY past messing with the lineup, trying to mesh players and find roles. When putting an entirely new roster together, the goal was the beginning of January. Injuries and sickness happened, which pushed that back. It's winning time with only a handful of games left to go. The heck with worrying about Flagg. Let's worry about MSU and Wisconsin first.
Now that some guys are starting, some guys have been moved to the bench, shot selection has obviously been addressed and things look more fluid. I'd be VERY cautious, if I were BU, to try and mess with things. I have no clue how's he's practiced, if there are attitude issues if discontent....but there's no way that a guy who hasn't been on a questionable, hasn't been playing.
5 conference games, 1 non con game and the conference tournament to go. Role with what you've got and if he does get it, he can't immediately have a negative impact.
This team may never hit it's ceiling given the disasters in January, but have to settle in with a rotation, right now, and roll with it. We'll see where the chips fall. If it hurts feelings, that's too bad.
Riley is a win win. Either he comes back and is a beast or we have two first round one and dones, which helps us recruit two more similar caliber players.
KJ and Riley going pro is fine(especially since it means Riley is playing well from here out)but I'd be a bit worried about only returning Tomi, Kylan, and Davis.
Feel like this roster was kind of sold as a rebuilding year where the next step was next year, but that would almost put us in the same place with a whole new group of faces next year.
I think ideally(expecting KJ and Riley to turn pro) that you at least return Tomi, Morez, Kylan, DGL, Davis, and at least one of Ty/Tre(I'd prefer Ty). That would give you 6 returnees, go get a big guard, wing, and wing/forward and go make a run at a title with an older more experienced team.
Not really going to focus on this until after the season and a lot of things can change between now and then.
With all due respect, cut the crap with this. It's an old schtick. What's holding this team back is turnovers and giving away possessions. When we have big leads or are in right games, it's the turnovers and bad decisions by the guards, notably one, that has held this team back. Hard stop.
This team will go as far as KJ can take them. Hard stop. He can't have games when he has 4 assists and 5 turnovers. Those turnovers happen when we're on runs and instead of going up 4, the game ends up tied...he was missing the front ends of one and ones and he handles the ball the most, etc. That's a lot of pressure on one guy, but this is supposed to be a lottery pick.
Ben's job is to make up for us lacking a third big man. He's forced to bring that guy now. He's also our second best three point shooter (Ivisic being first). There were posts earlier his stats in bigger games. They aren't bad. He's become the whipping boy by some, you with your post, and it's ridiculous.
Has he had some stinkers shooting the ball in some games? Absolutely! However, this is a team that outside of Ben and Tomi are miserable shooters.
This is KJ's and Tomi's team. They will make us or break us.
If you REALLY want to extend the issue, put it on our staff for not having a third, legitimate, big in the roster because right now, excluding Ben, we have 2 bigs, none of which are quick enough to cover the three point line ...see UCLA. That game got Morez on the bench because his defense was awful.
This team has holes and the only way to plug them is for the stars to be stars.
Edit: Add Riley to the list of stars. He needs to be there for us the rest of the way. We can't have regression because he does take pressure off of KJ. If those three play to capabilities, we can have a nice run. If not, we can be one and done.
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LouHenson
- Naples Florida
I don’t see where Tre is anymore ia path to a final 4 than Davis? In fact, I think Davis is exactly the kind of player BU needs on this team going forward. He is only a Sophomore has size and can shoot. What will he look like as a senior? One thing for sure, we have a lot better chance of finding out what that looks like than almost any other player on the team?
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