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That's a horrible starting lineup, but possible I suppose.
If they start that way, Hill should just waste a foul on the tip, lol.
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That's a horrible starting lineup, but possible I suppose.
If they start that way, Hill should just waste a foul on the tip, lol.
No, this game is too important for that.
100% agree, but I think Tate starts and Thorne sees minutes. I want none of that to happen..
On the one hand, Tate has given great effort and citizenship, despite the bad results and constant criticism. For that reason he should hit the floor for his last game in Champaign. On the other hand, the results have been so consistently bad, and this is such an important game for Groce and the program, I think his minutes will be very limited. Unfortunately, you can't have both, particularly when TJL has shown just how important good play from the point guard position is for this team.
If they get minutes, it will be in garbage time. Hopefully the good sort of garbage time.
No way. That would be grounds for an immediate firing (I exaggerate). But the point is, that there is no way Groce risks losing this game to give his seniors a moment. Once the game is decided, they may see a token possession. But they will not play meaningful minutes in the absence of injury/foul trouble.
You should always do anything you can to find seniors even 30 seconds of court time on senior night. Always. Especially considering we have a guy like Tate, much maligned (undeservedly so, it's way over the top the extent to which he is hated on), who was a member of Groce's first class and has worked hard and represented our university well.
If that is the starting lineup JG should be fired at half time. This too important of a game to start getting touchy/feely. Izzo has Michigan State playing well and the outcome could come down to a small margin like a missed free throw or letting Michigan State break out to an early lead. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for honoring the seniors and getting them in if/when possible but this is no time for JG to take his foot off the gas.
Sure, do it at the end of the game when the outcome is no longer in doubt.
Certainly, I wasn't advocating for them to start. But we shouldn't be talking about getting those guys 0 minutes just because we don't like what they contribute normally.
I'm not sure what to think of this debate.
A Senior who doesn't start Senior night will be one disappointed senior. Especially one who was recruited to Illinois. Maybe Thorne has no expectations.
Is Tate, Abrams, Hill, Mav, and JCL a viable lineup for a couple of possessions at the start of the game?
A Senior who doesn't start Senior night will be one disappointed senior. Especially one who was recruited to Illinois. Maybe Thorne has no expectations.
Is Tate, Abrams, Hill, Mav, and JCL a viable lineup for a couple of possessions at the start of the game?
It is a slap in the fact to Lucas, Nichols, JCL, Hill, and everyone else on the team if you start Tate. They have clawed their way back to the point where this game matters. You do not play seniors just to play seniors until the end of the game when the outcome has been decided. It's just not fair to the other guys on the team.
Ransom Stoddard
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Only if the outcome is 100% guaranteed. As much as I appreciate the commitment and effort from every one of those guys we don't need to risk the postseason on getting Thorne on the floor.
What you hope for is a dead ball with less than a minute to go before a media timeout and then hope like heck that play stops soon after the timeout window.
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Highly doubt any player on the team will be offended by seniors playing on senior night.
Not a ton of precedent here.
Starting lineups on senior night (vs different starters the game before):
2013: Griffey, McLaurin, Paul, Bertrand, Richardson (Egwu and Abrams)
2014: Egwu, Hill, Abrams, Rice, Nunn (None) - Ekey left on bench
2015: Egwu, Starks, Hill, Nunn, Rice (None) - No Other Seniors
2016: Finke, Nunn, JCL, Lewis, Hill (None) - No Other Seniors
Bubble year of 2014 saw Ekey on bench. 2013 had Bertrand and Griffey starting in place of Egwu and Abrams. If I had to guess, Tate gets the start with Thorne getting minimal minutes. Groce is loyal dude, maybe to a fault.
Starting lineups on senior night (vs different starters the game before):
2013: Griffey, McLaurin, Paul, Bertrand, Richardson (Egwu and Abrams)
2014: Egwu, Hill, Abrams, Rice, Nunn (None) - Ekey left on bench
2015: Egwu, Starks, Hill, Nunn, Rice (None) - No Other Seniors
2016: Finke, Nunn, JCL, Lewis, Hill (None) - No Other Seniors
Bubble year of 2014 saw Ekey on bench. 2013 had Bertrand and Griffey starting in place of Egwu and Abrams. If I had to guess, Tate gets the start with Thorne getting minimal minutes. Groce is loyal dude, maybe to a fault.
Huge game then if we beat MSU and NW falls out of top 50
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Yep. Probably cost him a game or two this year.
But in the end I prefer that over a coach that puts winning over his players (i.e. Crean).
This will be painful to watch. The benching of Tate and Thorne is the only reason the season still has a pulse.
If we could get MSU to start their seniors as well, I'd be for it. Eron Harris suited up for Wiscy, knee brace and all. Let him start.
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