Pregame: Illinois vs UConn, Saturday, March 30th, 5:09pm CT, TBS

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#326      

InDaAZ

Eugene, Oregon
"We just want to be respectful human beings and push in our chairs." :ROFLMAO:
If someone finds a superclip of all the chair pushes, please post it.
I need it. Like the flora needs light, I need that clip… 🌼
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#327      
I watched a lot of that Creighton game on replay, primarily because my first thought on seeing the score was, "How did that happen???" Honestly, that was a game where Creighton wasn't intimidated, shot the ball well, and the game snowballed from there. UConn was kind of caught off guard and never really recovered. If there's an item that gives me a level of optimism for tomorrow, it's that Illinois won't shy away from the moment. UConn does it a lot differently, but I see a lot of the 2004-2005 Illinois team in terms of off-ball movement and unselfishness. They run more "sets" as opposed to the Bruce Weber read and respond motion, but the objective is the same as you've mentioned.

If I'm Illinois, I try to make it a "black hole" with Clingnan where he has a hard time passing out of the post. He may (and likely will) get his points, but I don't think you double him a whole lot so you keep focus on the shooters. Rotate defenders on him to give him different looks - Hawkins' length compared to Dainja's strength.

UConn is so balanced, that I think you pick your poison and try to slow down everything around that.
Yes , Clingan can get a bit antsy when he can't pass out of the post pretty quickly. He had five balls plucked from him last night trying to dribble in the post . Karaban shot has been mostly off for a month , looks like he's releasing off the side of his hand because it's doing like a corkscrew in the air. You'll see tomorrow. Castle might shoot a 3 per game but isn't a real outside threat. Newton and especially Spencer are the concerns. Spencer uses a lot of pump fakes and is pretty fearless going against bigger more athletic guards. I wonder if you all might just back him down?
 
#331      
Wrong thread maybe, but I was reminiscing on the game last night. Of Shannon’s three steals, most are talking about the two passes he intercepted at mid court and dunked at the other end. One stopped ISU momentum at a critical part in the first half and the other essentially sealed the game. But his very first steal was super important as well. ISU was throwing a lob up for an alley oop and TSJ ball hawked it like a DB. That was tone-setting and a signal we were not !!!!ing around, we were there to win. Similar to the Morehead State play where he scrambled end to end for a loose ball, dove for it and threw it off an opponent’s leg to ensure possession. Those were both statement plays. If we see another statement play early on Saturday, UConn will have a dog fight on their hands. But these are plays that national folks overlook when they talk about the offensive force TSJ is. I think he should be more appropriately be framed as a competitive force which manifests on offense, but also in other aspects of the game.
 
#332      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
But his very first steal was super important as well. ISU was throwing a lob up for an alley oop and TSJ ball hawked it like a DB. That was tone-setting and a signal we were not !!!!ing around, we were there to win.
The kind of play Alex Caruso makes wandering away from his man because he sniffs something out. Reading of the game, athletic ability, and the guts of a burglar.
 
#333      

IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
Wrong thread maybe, but I was reminiscing on the game last night. Of Shannon’s three steals, most are talking about the two passes he intercepted at mid court and dunked at the other end. One stopped ISU momentum at a critical part in the first half and the other essentially sealed the game. But his very first steal was super important as well. ISU was throwing a lob up for an alley oop and TSJ ball hawked it like a DB. That was tone-setting and a signal we were not !!!!ing around, we were there to win. Similar to the Morehead State play where he scrambled end to end for a loose ball, dove for it and threw it off an opponent’s leg to ensure possession. Those were both statement plays. If we see another statement play early on Saturday, UConn will have a dog fight on their hands. But these are plays that national folks overlook when they talk about the offensive force TSJ is. I think he should be more appropriately be framed as a competitive force which manifests on offense, but also in other aspects of the game.
100%. That was the moment when I knew we were up and were going to be in this game. I wasn't certain we'd win, but I knew we were locked into game mode and were ready to go.
 
#334      
It's a great exhibit. It's what worries me about last night's game. I haven't gone through Domask game by game stats but I'm willing to bet that rarely does he have bad back to back games.
Was last night's free throw shooting a one off or has that been a struggle for your team this year?
Domask played better than his statline. As expected, ISU doubled him frequently, so his role was to pass out (ideally a skip pass) and let the rest of the team run 4-on-3.

As for free throw shooting, we're around 100th in the country at 73.6%. Here were the results from last night with their season percentages in parentheses:
Domask (88%) was 3-3
Hawkins (79%) was 2-4
Shannon (80%) was 5-10
Rodgers (60%) was 0-2
Guerrier (57%) was 2-4
Goode (65%) was 2-2
Dainja (48%) was 1-4

Based on the distribution of attempts, we'd typically make about 20-21 instead of 15.
 
#336      
Man I witnessed Cam Spencer in person at the SFC last February and “unimpressed” would be a flattering description. Very surprised by how effective he’s been. Unfortunately we can’t always give him a tough matchup like we did last year. Gonna watch that tape to see how he was so bottled.
 
#337      
UCONN message boards have at least been entertaining. Anything less than top execution may send them off a cliff at this point. House money game for us.
They're kinda sensitive about incredibly innocuous coach-speak. Underwood saying postgame that he they hadn't really scouted UConn yet (surely a lie) and today that we've seen other teams run similar sets drove a bunch of them batty. Being national champs and the dominant #1 seed doesn't seem to be enough, they seem to want the Illini to ugly cry about the prospect of having to play them and to constantly vow that what they do on a basketball court is something orders of magnitude above anything anyone else has even conceived within the sport since James Naismith put up a peach basket at the YMCA.
 
#338      

JFGsCoffeeMug

BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
I think a very reasonable goal for us to achieve tomorrow is to keep it close late. Even if we fall behind big early, all we need to do is get it back to single digits with 10 minutes left, and I will love our chances.

For better or worse, our team has gained a ton of experience these last few weeks closing out tight games. Yesterday's game is yet another line on our team's growing resume. We look impressively comfortable in close games. We continue to make the necessary plays to give ourselves chances to win and to take them away from our opponents. Our ability to score a ton of points quickly means no game is ever entirely out of reach.

If UConn has way less experience navigating that kind of adversity, then let's force the question on them. Can they handle these kinds of high-pressure late game situations? Because we've seen our guys do it and, if given the opportunity, they will do it again tomorrow.
 
#339      

IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
Man I witnessed Cam Spencer in person at the SFC last February and “unimpressed” would be a flattering description. Very surprised by how effective he’s been. Unfortunately we can’t always give him a tough matchup like we did last year. Gonna watch that tape to see how he was so bottled.
Having better quality players around you can help with that. You elevate your play and don't have to carry others as much.
 
#340      
Several have noted the point spread on the game, but to add some context, the moneyline odds give us ~21% chance to win. We're obviously the underdog, but this isn't David vs Goliath, and predictions (both human and computer) are based on a somewhat small sample size. There are only so many games in a season, even fewer non-conference games, and teams change throughout the year, so evaluating teams (especially from different conferences) is far from exact. Maybe we're a little better than people/computers think, maybe UConn is a little worse, maybe we prepare better, make better in-game changes, and/or maybe a few random/uncontrollable events go our way.

All that to say: respect the opponent, but have confidence in your team. We can win, and it wouldn't even be some long-shot miracle.
 
#341      

OrangeBlue98

Des Moines, IA
They're kinda sensitive about incredibly innocuous coach-speak. Underwood saying postgame that he they hadn't really scouted UConn yet (surely a lie) and today that we've seen other teams run similar sets drove a bunch of them batty. Being national champs and the dominant #1 seed doesn't seem to be enough, they seem to want the Illini to ugly cry about the prospect of having to play them and to constantly vow that what they do on a basketball court is something orders of magnitude above anything anyone else has even conceived within the sport since James Naismith put up a peach basket at the YMCA.
So in other words, a lot of insecurity. Interesting.
 
#342      
Man I witnessed Cam Spencer in person at the SFC last February and “unimpressed” would be a flattering description. Very surprised by how effective he’s been. Unfortunately we can’t always give him a tough matchup like we did last year. Gonna watch that tape to see how he was so bottled.
He went from playing on a KenPom 151 offense last year at Rutgers to a top 2 KenPom offense this year. That helps create much better looks for a 44% 3 point shooter.
 
#343      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Keep it single digits up or down....and anything can and will happen.
 
#344      
Man I witnessed Cam Spencer in person at the SFC last February and “unimpressed” would be a flattering description. Very surprised by how effective he’s been. Unfortunately we can’t always give him a tough matchup like we did last year. Gonna watch that tape to see how he was so bottled.
One of their fans got all hot and bothered about how Cam Spencer was going to flummox our coaching staff. I don't really put much stock into how he played at Rutgers, but responded. "Our coaches are quite familiar with Cam Spencer. He was in the Big Ten last year." Surely, the next thing he did was check Spencer's stats against us, and that was the last I heard of him.
 
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GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
They're kinda sensitive about incredibly innocuous coach-speak. Underwood saying postgame that he they hadn't really scouted UConn yet (surely a lie) and today that we've seen other teams run similar sets drove a bunch of them batty. Being national champs and the dominant #1 seed doesn't seem to be enough, they seem to want the Illini to ugly cry about the prospect of having to play them and to constantly vow that what they do on a basketball court is something orders of magnitude above anything anyone else has even conceived within the sport since James Naismith put up a peach basket at the YMCA.
It's heartwarming really.
 
#349      
It's a great exhibit. It's what worries me about last night's game. I haven't gone through Domask game by game stats but I'm willing to bet that rarely does he have bad back to back games.
Was last night's free throw shooting a one off or has that been a struggle for your team this year?
Free throw shooting was a major concern for the fanbase coming into the season as well as during the early noncon, but since then, we've been one of the best teams in the B10 as far as percentages go. We shot 76% from the line in conference play and our starters look like the following:

TSJ: 80.4% (217/270)
Domask: 87.8% (129/147)
CoHawk: 79.2% (76/96)
Rodgers: 60.3% (38/63)
Guerrier: 56.9% (66/116)

And then Harmon shoots 90.9% from the bench. So to answer your question, this game felt like a one off, but I actually think a lot of it had to do with how hard we were playing on defense and how much ISU made us work on offense. Think we might have been stepping up to the line a little more fatigued than usual. So it's possible the poor performance is replicatable if it's energy based, but overall this season, our free throw shooting has been quite good and I would expect it to return to normal tomorrow. As I joked earlier, I'm hoping we got all our misses out of the way yesterday so we can drain them tomorrow, because we're going to probably need every last one of them.
 
#350      
Having better quality players around you can help with that. You elevate your play and don't have to carry others as much.
It was more than that, though. He had really good metrics even at Rutgers, averaging 43% from 3, true shooting of 59%, 2-1 assists:turnovers, and a couple steals/game.

Against us, he was 1-5, 0-1 from 3, no FTs. Had a couple steals and assists, but that's all.
 
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