Purdue game (Sept. 30th): 2:30pm CT, Peacock

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Ransom Stoddard

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aaeismacgychel said:
Personally I hate the idea of "pay-per-view" college games. I was not a fan when B10+ rolled it out for basketball, and this seems like more of the same unfortunately. I will almost certainly pay and yet I despise doing so as basically it's just more money they collect, making an even better financial case for them to make even more ppv games in the future. And that’s where this all heading. Want to see the Illini game? That'll be a $20 charge for your 1 time single use passcode...
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If the game was all you were getting for your monthly subscription, it would certainly be PPV. Since these streamers have thousands upon thousands of hours of content, it isn't.

Unless you have cable in central Illinois (and even then, maybe not a given because BTN may be part of an extra tier) there will never, ever be a "one-stop-shop" to watch every Illinois FB or BB game. There never has been, never will be, it's a reality of life.
 
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Battle89

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pvaughn8 said:
My statement was factual because of where I live, but the count wouldn't be much higher if I still lived in Illinois, sadly. Mostly I was just laughing at the idea of charging people money to watch an Illinois football game.
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This ^^^. I live in Illinois and it would be tough. And the cost of the beer and snacks as host would probably outweigh the subscription anyway. I wouldn't pass a hat but everybody could bring something I suppose.

I do already have Peacock but I think there's a Basic level and a higher level for the sports, and I just have Basic. We'll see (or not see!).
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand

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People complaining about having to watch through streaming is so humorous to me. Reminds me of when Pujols was going for 700 HRs last season and people were upset that it wasn't on regular TV and was on Apple TV+. In spite of the fact that it actually costs less for streaming than it does for the cable subscriptions all these people have.
 
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aaeismacgychel

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Ransom Stoddard said:
If the game was all you were getting for your monthly subscription, it would certainly be PPV. Since these streamers have thousands upon thousands of hours of content, it isn't.

Unless you have cable in central Illinois (and even then, maybe not a given because BTN may be part of an extra tier) there will never, ever be a "one-stop-shop" to watch every Illinois FB or BB game. There never has been, never will be, it's a reality of life.
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My argument isn't about having games on multiple networks, just the continually expanded breadth and cost of those networks. The argument is always that this expansion gives more access and better access so you can see things you couldn't see before, for a nominal fee. And while that was true prior to the creation of BTN, it's really only a sales pitch at this point, especially for football, as the games on Peacock would have been covered by BTN as part of subscription. And the point I'm trying to make is that the more fans spend on additional services like Peacock or BTN+, the more profitable it is for networks to do it. So this practice only expands to cover more games with more associated costs.

But to your first point, yes, the thousands upon thousands of hours of additional content you get for "free" with your purchase. That's the sales pitch for sure. But is this really utilized by the consumer who joins for the specific purpose of watching a one time event? Or is this more a predatory program that overcharges for a one time event knowing full well the user likely won't watch the additional content and hoping that that user doesn't want to go through the hassle of trying to cancel their subscription that automatically renews monthly as terms of you getting the service in the first place?

For me, I think of it like this: Say you go to a restaurant to buy a pizza and they say, "that'll be a $100 charge that automatically renews each month". You're deeply confused of course and wonder what is going on, and they tell you that $100 not only gets you that 1 pizza but also thousands of hours worth of additional "free" content with it, like free access to read their employee manual whenever you come into the restaurant, and live streaming of their training videos, plus you have free access to the restaurant during business hours to use their bathroom, visit their museum of flair, or play their window slot machines (additional fees apply). You say, "But I don't want that, I just want the pizza. Can I just pay for the pizza?"

There comes a point in my opinion where offering tons of additional content as justification for aggressive recurring cost charges is predatory on the consumer. And I think the more we accept that approach and say things like "it's just reality of life", the more we encourage the use of these practices. And while it might not officially be "pay-per-view" now, it sure seems like the direction we're heading...

And I'll just finish by saying I'm not trying to attack you, just that I really don't like these types of business practices or models, and think that additional regulation should be required as I think they're highly unfavorable to the consumer.
 
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aaeismacgychel said:
For me, I think of it like this: Say you go to a restaurant to buy a pizza and they say, "that'll be a $100 charge that automatically renews each month". You're deeply confused of course and wonder what is going on, and they tell you that $100 not only gets you that 1 pizza but also thousands of hours worth of additional "free" content with it, like free access to read their employee manual whenever you come into the restaurant, and live streaming of their training videos, plus you have free access to the restaurant during business hours to use their bathroom, visit their museum of flair, or play their window slot machines (additional fees apply). You say, "But I don't want that, I just want the pizza. Can I just pay for the pizza?"

There comes a point in my opinion where offering tons of additional content as justification for aggressive recurring cost charges is predatory on the consumer. And I think the more we accept that approach and say things like "it's just reality of life", the more we encourage the use of these practices. And while it might not officially be "pay-per-view" now, it sure seems like the direction we're heading...
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Great analogy. We refuse all open-ended subscriptions. We do very selectively accept free trials but diligently cancel before payment kicks in. I’m grateful for the legions who enroll for open-ended access to endless streams of junk they’ll never use. Their forgotten ongoing payments fund my free trials as well as the Purdue broadcast we’ll enjoy at a local sports bar. Pay per view beats letting someone install a siphon into my wallet.
 
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pruman91 said:
I'm waiting for an Illini FB or BB game on the Lifetime Network or AMC Network......That will show me we have come full circle ......
JMHO
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Coaching To Injure: The Tim Beckman Story
Watch as a dimwitted rulebreaking clown of a coach who gives improper and dangerous medical advice, influencing a young athlete to play injured, ending the kid's career before it started, embarrasses himself on live TV as Illinois takes on Penn State on Lifetime's B10 Game of the Week.
 
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Ransom Stoddard said:
If the game was all you were getting for your monthly subscription, it would certainly be PPV. Since these streamers have thousands upon thousands of hours of content, it isn't.

Unless you have cable in central Illinois (and even then, maybe not a given because BTN may be part of an extra tier) there will never, ever be a "one-stop-shop" to watch every Illinois FB or BB game. There never has been, never will be, it's a reality of life.
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Last year I had every game with YouTube TV. This peacock garbage changes that. Peacock is NBC right? It's not a new network. I already pay for NBC channels with my subscription, put it on one of those.
 
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Battle89

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aaeismacgychel said:
Coaching To Injure: The Tim Beckman Story
Watch as a dimwitted rulebreaking clown of a coach who gives improper and dangerous medical advice, influencing a young athlete to play injured, ending the kid's career before it started, embarrasses himself on live TV as Illinois takes on Penn State on Lifetime's B10 Game of the Week.
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Financial hats off to Lifetime, they now have made the exact same movie approximately 1,000 times and their viewers continue to watch. They keep 'filling their stadium', unlike us.
 
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InDaAZ

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aaeismacgychel said:
Coaching To Injure: The Tim Beckman Story
Watch as a dimwitted rulebreaking clown of a coach who gives improper and dangerous medical advice, influencing a young athlete to play injured, ending the kid's career before it started, embarrasses himself on live TV as Illinois takes on Penn State on Lifetime's B10 Game of the Week.
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Rated PG-13 for unsubtle tobacco usage.
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pvaughn8 said:
Last year I had every game with YouTube TV. This peacock garbage changes that. Peacock is NBC right? It's not a new network. I already pay for NBC channels with my subscription, put it on one of those.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure football has been fully accessible for at least the past several years for all games on YTTV (along with other carriers I'd bet).

I know there are a couple of basketball games each year that get this treatment, but those are non-con games and typically 2 out of the 30+ games in a season. Football only has 12 games available already, the forcing of one of those games onto a selective streaming service is a slap in the face to the fanbases/consumers.

But I'm just a man on the internet mad about something, I may as well spit in the wind.

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john1952

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aaeismacgychel said:
And that’s where this all heading. Want to see the Illini game? That'll be a $20 charge for your 1 time single use passcode...
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Certinaly not unrealistic to think it those terms.
This past year, the Big Ten signed a seven-year, $7 billion contract with CBS, NBC and Fox.
As the super conferences continue to up the ante for the television networks and streaming services, the money will have to come from somewhere.
Advertising and subscriptions alone will not likely to be able generate this kind of massive revenue.
 
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aaeismacgychel

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pruman91 said:
I'm waiting for an Illini FB or BB game on the Lifetime Network or AMC Network......That will show me we have come full circle ......
JMHO
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One more just because:

You're Not My Daddy
A promising basketball player is abused, harassed, and publicly embarrassed by his adoptive father, forcing him to drop out of school and runaway to a small Midwestern town in Kansas, as Illinois' King Kofi Cockburn takes on Michigan's Hunter Dickinson live on the hardwood on Lifetime's B10 Big Saturday.
 
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The more I think about this game, the more "essential" it becomes (at least for me) in determining what type of season we are going to have. Purdue has had our number in recent history, and it is never easy to win on the road. With that said, they could be 1-3 (0-1) with us coming to town if they lose to Wisconsin - a series the Boilermakers have lost 17 games in a row! - and desperate for a win. Add to that the component of Walters looking to beat us as his "turnaround game," and I think a lot of pressure could be on both teams to "save their seasons," so to speak.

Both Purdue and Illinois probably wish their seasons had started off "a little better," but it REALLY looks like we have played a slightly tougher version of their schedule and passed the eye test a little better.

ILLINOIS
W vs. Toledo (2-0 outside of Illinois)
L at Kansas (2-0 outside of Illinois)
L vs. #7 Penn State (2-0 outside of Illinois)

- Toledo will be favored in all of its remaining games and is projected to be 11-1 on the year. Regardless of our feelings about the game, this looks like a genuinely "good win."
- Kansas is a bit more of a mystery, as there are a lot of tossup games on their schedule, IMO; however, they are receiving votes in the AP poll! Considering it was on the road, this is in no way a bad loss (at least not yet).
- PSU just might be the best team in the Big Ten, but it's impossible to tell just yet. Either way, while I know nobody likes a "moral victory" and we CANNOT turn the ball over like that regularly and win games, I venture to say a lot of us were pleasantly surprised that we were in a genuine game with a top 10 team in the third quarter before we coughed over our FIFTH turnover. To exhaust what has been said, if we can clean up the mistakes, the PSU result can be encouraging ... if not, our record will be "meh."

PURDUE
L vs. Fresno State (2-0 outside of Purdue)
W at Virginia Tech (1-1 outside of Purdue)
L vs. Syracuse (2-0 outside of Purdue)

- The Fresno State result might not be that bad for Purdue, as they are now receiving votes and just hammered ASU in Tempe ... then again, ASU looks terrible. The main point is, though, that we BEAT our "good mid-major opponent" at home, and Purdue did not.
- A road win is always impressive, but I think Virginia Tech might be pretty terrible ... they just got absolutely smoked by a Rutgers team that underwhelmed vs. what might be a historically bad Northwestern (knock on wood).
- People seem to be hyping up Syracuse again, but they have had hot starts recently with little to show for it. And, either way, they are no PSU by any measure, and they beat Purdue somewhat systematically, IMO - got up 14-0 and answered every single time Purdue threatened.

1. So, we both had a scare vs. a potentially very good "mid-major" team, but we won and they didn't.
2. We both had a road test vs. another Power Five team, with Purdue winning and us losing. However, I would venture to say that Kansas is leagues better than Virginia Tech.
3. We each hosted another Power Five team at home and lost by 15-17 points. Purdue lost to a maybe-kind-of-good Syracuse, and we lost to top 10 Penn State.

I'm cautiously optimistic (assuming we can beat FAU...), but I honestly don't really know what to expect. What I DO know is that we simply cannot drop our first Big Ten West game to Ryan Walters and Purdue given we didn't get the W vs. PSU or Kansas ... period!
 
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aaeismacgychel said:
One more just because:

You're Not My Daddy
A promising basketball player is abused, harassed, and publicly embarrassed by his adoptive father, forcing him to drop out of school and runaway to a small Midwestern town in Kansas, as Illinois' King Kofi Cockburn takes on Michigan's Hunter Dickinson live on the hardwood on Lifetime's B10 Big Saturday.
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If it's Lifetime, I need a love interest.
 
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altgeld88

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Fighter of the Nightman said:
The more I think about this game, the more "essential" it becomes (at least for me) in determining what type of season we are going to have. Purdue has had our number in recent history, and it is never easy to win on the road. With that said, they could be 1-3 (0-1) with us coming to town if they lose to Wisconsin - a series the Boilermakers have lost 17 games in a row! - and desperate for a win. Add to that the component of Walters looking to beat us as his "turnaround game," and I think a lot of pressure could be on both teams to "save their seasons," so to speak.

Both Purdue and Illinois probably wish their seasons had started off "a little better," but it REALLY looks like we have played a slightly tougher version of their schedule and passed the eye test a little better.

ILLINOIS
W vs. Toledo (2-0 outside of Illinois)
L at Kansas (2-0 outside of Illinois)
L vs. #7 Penn State (2-0 outside of Illinois)

- Toledo will be favored in all of its remaining games and is projected to be 11-1 on the year. Regardless of our feelings about the game, this looks like a genuinely "good win."
- Kansas is a bit more of a mystery, as there are a lot of tossup games on their schedule, IMO; however, they are receiving votes in the AP poll! Considering it was on the road, this is in no way a bad loss (at least not yet).
- PSU just might be the best team in the Big Ten, but it's impossible to tell just yet. Either way, while I know nobody likes a "moral victory" and we CANNOT turn the ball over like that regularly and win games, I venture to say a lot of us were pleasantly surprised that we were in a genuine game with a top 10 team in the third quarter before we coughed over our FIFTH turnover. To exhaust what has been said, if we can clean up the mistakes, the PSU result can be encouraging ... if not, our record will be "meh."

PURDUE
L vs. Fresno State (2-0 outside of Purdue)
W at Virginia Tech (1-1 outside of Purdue)
L vs. Syracuse (2-0 outside of Purdue)

- The Fresno State result might not be that bad for Purdue, as they are now receiving votes and just hammered ASU in Tempe ... then again, ASU looks terrible. The main point is, though, that we BEAT our "good mid-major opponent" at home, and Purdue did not.
- A road win is always impressive, but I think Virginia Tech might be pretty terrible ... they just got absolutely smoked by a Rutgers team that underwhelmed vs. what might be a historically bad Northwestern (knock on wood).
- People seem to be hyping up Syracuse again, but they have had hot starts recently with little to show for it. And, either way, they are no PSU by any measure, and they beat Purdue somewhat systematically, IMO - got up 14-0 and answered every single time Purdue threatened.

1. So, we both had a scare vs. a potentially very good "mid-major" team, but we won and they didn't.
2. We both had a road test vs. another Power Five team, with Purdue winning and us losing. However, I would venture to say that Kansas is leagues better than Virginia Tech.
3. We each hosted another Power Five team at home and lost by 15-17 points. Purdue lost to a maybe-kind-of-good Syracuse, and we lost to top 10 Penn State.

I'm cautiously optimistic (assuming we can beat FAU...), but I honestly don't really know what to expect. What I DO know is that we simply cannot drop our first Big Ten West game to Ryan Walters and Purdue given we didn't get the W vs. PSU or Kansas ... period!
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I don't often watch a great deal of college football beyond the Illini these days but I did see the Purdue-SYR game from opening kick until early in the fourth quarter. Syracuse offensively had little beyond a mobile QB who shredded the Purdue D in the first half in the way that a much more talented and quick KU QB shredded ours a week earlier. Purdue put a chaser on him in the second half but it was too late. He racked up nearly 200 yards both rushing and passing. (So, granted, SYR didn't need a lot of offense beyond him.) Purdue (Card, mostly) turned the ball over four times in the first half, much as we did v. PSU.

Card throws well and accurately but their run game did not impress me. It was a home Saturday night NBC game at Ross-Ade, the stadium was packed, and yet SYR controlled matters from wire to wire. I never had a sense in the second half that PU would win. If our D continues to play as it did v. PSU and our offense stabilizes I believe we will take down Purdue, even though it has an extra day to prepare for us. It will be interesting to see what they do against Wisc this evening.
 
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altgeld88

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DeonThomas said:
2008 !!!!!!!!!!???????????? That's quite the hiatus.

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Enjoy the game!
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Thank you. Work, fatherhood, distance from the Midwest (and, let's be honest, Tim Beckman) all kinda got in the way for a long while. PSU Saturday night game in State College, late Sept. 2008. Almost exactly 15 years later I'll walk into Ross-Ade on Saturday afternoon. Then I'll see 'em play Maryland here two weeks later.

My cup overfloweth. "Jacked" doesn't really capture it. :illinois:
 
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If you think it's bad now... (via Wired)

Also entering the scrimmage this year: (HBO) Max. Earlier this week, Warner Bros. Discovery announced it would be launching a new add-on to its ever-changing streaming service that would offer access to sports airing on the media conglomerate's variety of channels, like TBS and TNT. That Bleacher Report-branded package will launch October 5, giving Max subscribers free access to not only baseball but also National Hockey League content and the NBA. When it comes time for college basketball’s March Madness season next year, the service will cost those subscribers an additional $10 per month.
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Remember when people wanted "a la carte cable" where everyone only paid for the channels they wanted. All of these streaming services are the (very, very flawed) reality of that idea and in reality it kinda sucks. Maybe we should have supported movie rental stores more (I am more joking on this, but if you are into video games this is very, very true).
 
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pruman91

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altgeld88 said:
Thank you. Work, fatherhood, distance from the Midwest (and, let's be honest, Tim Beckman) all kinda got in the way for a long while. PSU Saturday night game in State College, late Sept. 2008. Almost exactly 15 years later I'll walk into Ross-Ade on Saturday afternoon. Then I'll see 'em play Maryland here two weeks later.

My cup overfloweth. "Jacked" doesn't really capture it. :illinois:
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Braggart !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......you really really are............................./s
 
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