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<blockquote data-quote="the juiceman cometh" data-source="post: 1800499" data-attributes="member: 747321"><p>Ok, am I to understand what is being argued here is that the 2003 offseason, the Cardinals traded a very good outfielder (would have been the best one on this year's team) for a below replacement pitcher, a decent reliever, and a prospect who wouldn't pitch until the 2005 season (only for 2 innings), with the intention that these three players would improve the team's odds of success in the 2004 season ("short term")?</p><p></p><p>[And yes, I know that Marquis pitched well in 2004 and the team won a ton of games. 1. I doubt the FO knew Marquis would have literally the best season of his career, and 2. There were plenty of other factors in the team's performance. Namely, Rolen and Edmonds had the best seasons of their careers at the exact same time (as did Tony freakin' Womack who was good for 3.3 WAR despite having a career WAR of only 2.5!!!), and Pujols had one of his best]</p><p></p><p>This trade was one clearly aimed at the present for one team (Braves) and future for the other (Cardinals). Drew's contract was expiring after one more season and the Cards liked Waino's potential. Jocketty has said the key to this trade was Waino, who was the Braves' #1 prospect, and still in AA. </p><p></p><p>Going back to the original point, assessing a trade like this,, where a major piece is two seasons away from contributing, obviously requires a longer view. A trade for two established players with less than 1.5 years left in the current deals, who're so obviously being brought in to fill holes on teams in contention in the current season, is a different kind of assessment. And like I said multiple times, I'm still on the fence on this trade. It's just pretty obvious to me our OF wasn't as deep as we thought it was when the trade was made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the juiceman cometh, post: 1800499, member: 747321"] Ok, am I to understand what is being argued here is that the 2003 offseason, the Cardinals traded a very good outfielder (would have been the best one on this year's team) for a below replacement pitcher, a decent reliever, and a prospect who wouldn't pitch until the 2005 season (only for 2 innings), with the intention that these three players would improve the team's odds of success in the 2004 season ("short term")? [And yes, I know that Marquis pitched well in 2004 and the team won a ton of games. 1. I doubt the FO knew Marquis would have literally the best season of his career, and 2. There were plenty of other factors in the team's performance. Namely, Rolen and Edmonds had the best seasons of their careers at the exact same time (as did Tony freakin' Womack who was good for 3.3 WAR despite having a career WAR of only 2.5!!!), and Pujols had one of his best] This trade was one clearly aimed at the present for one team (Braves) and future for the other (Cardinals). Drew's contract was expiring after one more season and the Cards liked Waino's potential. Jocketty has said the key to this trade was Waino, who was the Braves' #1 prospect, and still in AA. Going back to the original point, assessing a trade like this,, where a major piece is two seasons away from contributing, obviously requires a longer view. A trade for two established players with less than 1.5 years left in the current deals, who're so obviously being brought in to fill holes on teams in contention in the current season, is a different kind of assessment. And like I said multiple times, I'm still on the fence on this trade. It's just pretty obvious to me our OF wasn't as deep as we thought it was when the trade was made. [/QUOTE]
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