Pretty sure Early is the only guy playing tonight that he drafted while in Boston, and he drafted Lowe while in TB. That's it. Rafaela and Durran were both in the Red Sox org before Bloom got there. Some of the other guys like Story he did acquire via trade (and boy it took a long tim for that one to pay off). Others were acquired after he left. Tbh his draft picks in Boston haven't amounted to much yet.
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You are right. I assumed some of the other that were called up earlier this year were still up on the big squad. They are not.
I have learned that perception overrides facts with many Cardinal fans when it comes to Oli Marmol.
The Cardinals home attendance drop is absolutely insane. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that big of drop so suddenly.
The Cardinals drew their lowest non-disrupted season crowd (94/95 strike and 20/21 Covid) since 1984.
They drew 27,778 per game. The last time they were even under 35,000 per game was 1997.
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If I was just running the team as a business id probably hire Pujols/Yadi/Waino as pure publicity hires to help bring back the fans. Those numbers don’t just look bad for the Cardinals they raise a lot of questions about St Louis in general
The Cardinals drew their lowest non-disrupted season crowd (94/95 strike and 20/21 Covid) since 1984.
They drew 27,778 per game. The last time they were even under 35,000 per game was 1997.
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St. Louis Cardinals Attendance, Stadiums, and Park Factors
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If I was just running the team as a business id probably hire Pujols/Yadi/Waino as pure publicity hires to help bring back the fans. Those numbers don’t just look bad for the Cardinals they raise a lot of questions about St Louis in general
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How does the 19th best team in the MLB (by wins) having the 19th best attendance "raise questions about St. Louis?" Shockingly, St. Louis's attendance tracks closely with it's on-field performance! Oh my!The Cardinals home attendance drop is absolutely insane. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that big of drop so suddenly.
The Cardinals drew their lowest non-disrupted season crowd (94/95 strike and 20/21 Covid) since 1984.
They drew 27,778 per game. The last time they were even under 35,000 per game was 1997.
St. Louis Cardinals Attendance, Stadiums, and Park Factors | Baseball-Reference.com
St. Louis Cardinals Attendance, Stadiums, and Park Factors
If I was just running the team as a business id probably hire Pujols/Yadi/Waino as pure publicity hires to help bring back the fans. Those numbers don’t just look bad for the Cardinals they raise a lot of questions about St Louis in general
The attendance that actually raises questions is Milwaukee. Best record in the majors, #12 in attendance.
If the Cards put a good product on the field, the fans will come back.
Because St Louis has supported the Cardinals thru mediocre periods before. The Cardinals were mediocre in the 90s and still drew. They have won 1 playoff series in the last 11 seasons yet attendance was strong up until the last 2 seasons. Even last year was ok given where the team was. So much for BFIB. Those people must have died off.
Drawing the fewest fans since 1984 isn’t just a “team sucks let’s stop doing something we’ve done regularly for the last 40 years.”. It’s deeper than that. Seen it with the Rams. Given the investment in Ballpark Village, I doubt the Dewitt’s ever envisioned losing this many fans so suddenly. Bc even if the team stinks you still have the ambience of BPV and a nice new stadium.
IlliniwekKDR
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Please, for the love of God, do it.
I love Yadi. I don't feel bullish he will have the resources to succeed. I don't want to see him go from Cardinals legend to Cardinals scapegoat.
socalini
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Yadi as Pitching Coach would be the ideal scenario for me, now that we're keeping Oli.
IlliniwekKDR
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That would suck, but he isn't the manager yet. So he shouldn't be the scapegoat for another failed season. His presence in the locker room would be a huge plus to any team
I love Yadi. I don't feel bullish he will have the resources to succeed. I don't want to see him go from Cardinals legend to Cardinals scapegoat.
Oh I know but the speculation is this would be a bridge to him eventually replacing Marmol.
IlliniwekKDR
- Colorado Springs, CO
Hopefully then we're in better times
I, for one, am not on the Yadier Molina for manager band wagon. He bailed on his teammates and coaches in 2023. In my view this disqualifies him at the present time.
So true. Or when he rehabbed at home with his basketball team. He's not for me
I am restrained in my enthusiasm for Yadi the coach. I have questions.
If he is a pitching coach does he know how to teach pitches? I know he can catch them. I know he knows pitcher A needs to throw a changeup instead of a slider to a batter while pitcher B needs to go with a sinker. But does he have the drill down fundamentals for the pitching staff? Standing on the mound for 100 - 125 pitches is different that squatting behind the plate.
As a catcher turned manager the first thing I think of is Mike Matheny. Nice guy. Could call a great game but not managerial material. Yadi has one thing Matheny didn't have. Yadi has managed a couple of teams. The World Baseball Classic and Caribbean Series is nothing like a 162 game season but it is something. Still I would rather have someone that actually managed a few years even if it was in the minors.
If he is a pitching coach does he know how to teach pitches? I know he can catch them. I know he knows pitcher A needs to throw a changeup instead of a slider to a batter while pitcher B needs to go with a sinker. But does he have the drill down fundamentals for the pitching staff? Standing on the mound for 100 - 125 pitches is different that squatting behind the plate.
As a catcher turned manager the first thing I think of is Mike Matheny. Nice guy. Could call a great game but not managerial material. Yadi has one thing Matheny didn't have. Yadi has managed a couple of teams. The World Baseball Classic and Caribbean Series is nothing like a 162 game season but it is something. Still I would rather have someone that actually managed a few years even if it was in the minors.
I know there have been a few catchers who were very good pitching coaches. My comment is asking the question can Yadi teach pitchers? I am not saying he can't I don't know if he can or can't.
What came to mind is Bob Gibson yelling at Tim Mc Carver to get back behind the plate when Tim came out to talk to Gibby. "Get back behind the plate. The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it". It was a unique situation but it still was something I was thinking about.
And they lack a lot more in terms of the starting line-up in my view. An outfield of Walker, Scott, and Nootbar, just to give one example, does not cut it.
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Cardinals would have been better served by firing MO and keeping Shildt..............JMHO..........
Wouldn't have made a difference. The Shildt firing was going to happen at the end of the 2021 season. All the winning streak did was delay the inevitable.
It's hard to measure the actual impact of a manager on wins and losses, and most people who've tried to do it have come to the conclusion that the impact is maybe a win or two in either direction - i.e. minimal impact.
One very crude method is to compare Pythagorean expected wins/losses (a projection based on run differential) vs actual wins/losses. By that metric, Shildt this year had a 90-72 record with a team that had a Pythagorean expected record of 90-72.
Marmol had a 78-83 record with a team that had a Pythagorean expected record of 74-88. So by that metric Oli did better than expected.
You could argue that, factoring in the differences in talent on their rosters (not surprising considering the Padres spent $85 million more on payroll than the Cards), Oli was a better manager this season than Shildt was.
None of us have any inside information, but this is the second team that Shildt has left under weird circumstances.
I think it's pretty clear the guy is very intense, a LaRussa type. However, with the amount of front office statistician and nerds these teams are paying these days to help make the strategic decisions, a super intense guy isn't really what's needed from the manager (at least as far as the front office is concerned).
Managers really don't matter, unless they're bad (like Mike Matheny, that guy was terrible).
I think it's pretty clear the guy is very intense, a LaRussa type. However, with the amount of front office statistician and nerds these teams are paying these days to help make the strategic decisions, a super intense guy isn't really what's needed from the manager (at least as far as the front office is concerned).
Managers really don't matter, unless they're bad (like Mike Matheny, that guy was terrible).
Mike Shildt left Padres, ‘made a decision to go home’ in part due to ‘inability to please everyone’
The issues that surfaced in San Diego were virtually identical to the issues that several league sources said led to Shildt’s abrupt dismissal in St. Louis following a 90-win season in 2021 and three playoff appearances in three seasons.
Shildt acknowledged Tuesday that the things he was hearing were “eerily similar in the two places I’ve managed.”
The Cardinals have only ever said publicly that Shildt was fired due to “philosophical differences.” A half-dozen sources, including current and former members of the Cardinals organization and two people who were part of front offices that considered interviewing Shildt in the month after he was fired, said some Cardinals coaches and others threatened to quit if Shildt remained.
So this all adds up to Shildt being a pain in the !!! to work with, and ownership/ GMs realizing that it's not worth the headache for whatever small advantage a manager actually brings to the table. It was easier to hand waive away when it was only the Cardinals looking like they bailed on him, but now this is two teams where he's left under similar circumstances (seems pretty clear this Padre "retirement" was a retirement in name only.)
The issues that surfaced in San Diego were virtually identical to the issues that several league sources said led to Shildt’s abrupt dismissal in St. Louis following a 90-win season in 2021 and three playoff appearances in three seasons.
Shildt acknowledged Tuesday that the things he was hearing were “eerily similar in the two places I’ve managed.”
The Cardinals have only ever said publicly that Shildt was fired due to “philosophical differences.” A half-dozen sources, including current and former members of the Cardinals organization and two people who were part of front offices that considered interviewing Shildt in the month after he was fired, said some Cardinals coaches and others threatened to quit if Shildt remained.
So this all adds up to Shildt being a pain in the !!! to work with, and ownership/ GMs realizing that it's not worth the headache for whatever small advantage a manager actually brings to the table. It was easier to hand waive away when it was only the Cardinals looking like they bailed on him, but now this is two teams where he's left under similar circumstances (seems pretty clear this Padre "retirement" was a retirement in name only.)
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