St Louis Cardinals 2026

#126      
You want to bring in a 33 year old a below average hitting (88 OPS+, 90 wRC+), below replacement level player (-0.8 bWAR, -0.6 fWAR) to take away plate appearances from young players in a year we are not competing because we sold off all our established players, a move that was partly justified by a desire to give young players more opportunities?

And he's not gonna get hot. He hasn't been hot since 2021.
Yea he can't even be a platoon guy anymore - 124 wRC+ against lefties in 2024 but then 87 wRC+ in 200 PAs against lefties last year (not that a platoon gives you an advantage since Herrera is also right handed).

The guy is cooked. And worse, he doesn't think he's cooked and got in trouble for bringing beer into the Philly dugout last year during a game. I wouldn't touch Castellanos with a deep drive into left field by Castellanos
 
#127      
We need right handed hitters and a DH

1b Burleson L
3 b Gorman L
lf Nootbar L
cf Scott L
2b Wetherholt L

c Herrara R
ss Wynn
rf Walker R

Castellanos has career 294 avg vs lefties - he is a lottery ticket like Dusty May. Scanned waiver wire - I like Castellanos better than Randal Grichuk.
 
#128      
NOOTBAAR...........................................
 
#129      
Yea he can't even be a platoon guy anymore - 124 wRC+ against lefties in 2024 but then 87 wRC+ in 200 PAs against lefties last year (not that a platoon gives you an advantage since Herrera is also right handed).

The guy is cooked. And worse, he doesn't think he's cooked and got in trouble for bringing beer into the Philly dugout last year during a game. I wouldn't touch Castellanos with a deep drive into left field by Castellanos
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#131      
We need right handed hitters and a DH

1b Burleson L
3 b Gorman L
lf Nootbar L
cf Scott L
2b Wetherholt L

c Herrara R
ss Wynn
rf Walker R

Castellanos has career 294 avg vs lefties - he is a lottery ticket like Dusty May. Scanned waiver wire - I like Castellanos better than Randal Grichuk.
Herrera is not going to be the everyday catcher. He will DH 90% of the time. Pages will be everyday catcher and is a righty, so the problem you're trying to fix doesn't even exist. 5 left, 4 right, with plenty of right handed hitting on the bench (Saggese, Pozo, Fermin).

And then there's the fact that it would just block opportunities for prospects who deserve a look. For example, Joshua Baez who raked in AA last season, could make it up to the majors this year (MLB Pipeline has his ETA as 2026) and is a right handed hitter with major pop. If he has success in AAA early on, it wouldn't be crazy for him to get the call, as long as there are at-bats to be had. Blocking a guy like him in favor of a washed up Castellanos would be a major own goal in a season that is 100% about development.
 
#132      
New episode of Cardinal Territory today. Lance Lynn speaking his mind. Kyle Gibson also on the show.
 
#133      
It's time to vote for the player you would like to see in the Cardinals Hall of Fame.


The St. Louis Cardinals have revealed George Hendrick, Brian Jordan, Yadier Molina, and Albert Pujols as the modern players nominated for possible induction into the St. Louis Cardinals Hall of Fame

Clearly Albert and Yadi belong but what is the rush? They will be automatics when they are enshrined in Cooperstown. It deprives the fans from voting for other candidates who are never going into the MLB Hall.
 
#134      
Also on the Cardinals website https://www.mlb.com/cardinals is the advert for their tv package.
I am mentioning it because there was some discussion about blackouts. I removed the link to subscribe so that is is less like an ad here.

A new era of watching Cardinals baseball is here, and Cardinals.TV has you covered all season long.
The Cardinals.TV Seasonal Package, which allows fans to stream regular-season games in the Cardinals home territory with no blackouts (subject to national exclusivities)
This offer is only for Cards fans in the Club's Home Television Territory. Information on cable and satellite providers, including specific channel locations, will be announced at a later date
 
#136      
So who is going to be Cards closer this season?
AI sez:

The 2026 St. Louis Cardinals bullpen is projected to be anchored by veterans Ryne Stanek and JoJo Romero, with Riley O'Brien in a key closing role. Key contributors include Gordon Graceffo, Matt Svanson, and Justin Bruihl, along with depth from George Soriano and Matt Pushard. The group is considered young, with potential for, or, to move into starting roles.

Viva El Birdo agrees. https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-lou...ouis-cardinals-2026-roster-pre-spring-edition
 
#137      
AI sez:

The 2026 St. Louis Cardinals bullpen is projected to be anchored by veterans Ryne Stanek and JoJo Romero, with Riley O'Brien in a key closing role. Key contributors include Gordon Graceffo, Matt Svanson, and Justin Bruihl, along with depth from George Soriano and Matt Pushard. The group is considered young, with potential for, or, to move into starting roles.

Viva El Birdo agrees. https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-lou...ouis-cardinals-2026-roster-pre-spring-edition
Thanks. Yeah, that’s what I’ve been seeing, but no one seems all that confident in him. That Stavson (sp?) the article mentioned is really highly regarded. But man that starting rotation does not look good.
 
#138      
Thanks. Yeah, that’s what I’ve been seeing, but no one seems all that confident in him. That Stavson (sp?) the article mentioned is really highly regarded. But man that starting rotation does not look good.
In a two-three year rebuild do you have much confidence in most of the players? Some have potential but they still need to prove it. The BP is probably the area that has the greatest need to prove themselves. That's why they are projected to be a 70-75 win team.
Svanson
 
#139      
So who is going to be Cards closer this season?
They're going to want to market Jojo has a high leverage reliever at the deadline, so I'd bet he gets the lion share of the closing duties (with audibles to others when the inning would feature a leftie masher).

I'm thinking the closer of the future is probably Tink Hence since it appears they've abandoned him as a starter. Rosenthal-esqe
 
#141      
They're going to want to market Jojo has a high leverage reliever at the deadline, so I'd bet he gets the lion share of the closing duties (with audibles to others when the inning would feature a leftie masher).

I'm thinking the closer of the future is probably Tink Hence since it appears they've abandoned him as a starter. Rosenthal-esqe
Don't think they're abandoning him as a starter forever, just they're not going to push him into that role now as he has had injury problems that have not allowed him to pitch many innings. There is still hope they can build up his innings tolerance to eventually be a starter, though that hope seems a lot dimmer now than it did a year ago. I agree, in all likelihood he comes to the majors as a relief pitcher and ends up there, but I don't think they've given up on him starting (at least I really hope they haven't).

The problem with him as closer of the future is he doesn't really profile as a closer or even a typical reliever. If it weren't for durability, he's the prototypical starting pitcher (and yes, I know that durability is a HUGE part of the profile, but it's not the only thing). The prototypical closer give you high-end velocity and big break. Think Helsley - top level velocity on the fastball and a slider with nasty movement. Hence doesn't have that - his FB sits at mid 90s. His best pitch is his changeup, that tricks batters because it looks so similar to that fastball coming out of his hand, and his biggest strength is his control. It's very much a starting pitcher's approach rather than a closer's, and he has so much more upside in the rotation if he can just build up some durability (HUGE if).

Liam Doyle seems like he may be more of a closer type, but it's way too early to tell and of course you don't want to shut the SP door on him too prematurely either. I think the good news (I guess) is that we probably don't NEED a designated closer for a couple seasons. That's a luxury for teams that are competing.
 
#142      
I'm going to go Svanson. Maybe not to start, but that is my guess as to who they will look towards.
I’m thinking of drafting O’Brien with my next pick for my third reliever in fantasy and then depending how rest of my draft goes, picking Svanson as a handcuff late.
 
#143      
They're going to want to market Jojo has a high leverage reliever at the deadline, so I'd bet he gets the lion share of the closing duties (with audibles to others when the inning would feature a leftie masher).

I'm thinking the closer of the future is probably Tink Hence since it appears they've abandoned him as a starter. Rosenthal-esqe
I don’t think having Romero close really helps his trade value. He already has a good reputation as high leverage RP, and not likely that team trading for him at deadline is going to use him as a closer anyway. Might be better to boost O’Brien’s value by having him close (assuming he does OK or better).
 
#144      
Weird to be in rebuild mode

I remember when Whitey took over . He was .500 first year then won 103 games year but but screwed by strike/split season. Year 3 won WS.

Not scared to swap fan favorites for better baseball players

Templeton -> Ozzie
Simmons -> Porter
Rollie Fingers -> Bruce Sutter
Promoted Willie McGee
Got Lonnie Smith

Survivors who thrived

Hernandez
Hendrick
Herr

Feels like we are doing the same but don't have MLB talent to trade for new MLB talent
 
#145      
I’m thinking of drafting O’Brien with my next pick for my third reliever in fantasy and then depending how rest of my draft goes, picking Svanson as a handcuff late.
As much as it makes it easier for me to have Cards on my team, I’m staying away, especially relievers. I see 64-75 wins, a save or two a week won’t do much. IMO.
 
#146      
As much as it makes it easier for me to have Cards on my team, I’m staying away, especially relievers. I see 64-75 wins, a save or two a week won’t do much. IMO.
Ended up not taking O’Brien; guy with next pick took him.

As to staying away from Cards relievers, it’s a 12 team league with three reliever spots and we use saves not holds or solds, so most are faced with either going closer on a bad team, SP with RP eligibility or effective set up man. As long as ERA/WHIP won’t kill you (and have to be really bad for one reliever to tank those categories) those 10-20 saves in a 5 x 5 deep roto league certainly can make a difference.
 
#147      
Weird to be in rebuild mode

I remember when Whitey took over . He was .500 first year then won 103 games year but but screwed by strike/split season. Year 3 won WS.

Not scared to swap fan favorites for better baseball players

Templeton -> Ozzie
Simmons -> Porter
Rollie Fingers -> Bruce Sutter
Promoted Willie McGee
Got Lonnie Smith

Survivors who thrived

Hernandez
Hendrick
Herr

Feels like we are doing the same but don't have MLB talent to trade for new MLB talent
Simmons > Porter
 
#148      
Weird to be in rebuild mode

I remember when Whitey took over . He was .500 first year then won 103 games year but but screwed by strike/split season. Year 3 won WS.

Not scared to swap fan favorites for better baseball players

Templeton -> Ozzie
Simmons -> Porter
Rollie Fingers -> Bruce Sutter
Promoted Willie McGee
Got Lonnie Smith

Survivors who thrived

Hernandez
Hendrick
Herr

Feels like we are doing the same but don't have MLB talent to trade for new MLB talent
I was really mad when Whitey traded away Templeton. I thought it was the most ridiculous move ever. I wrote a complaint letter to the editor. I think it was to The Sporting News. Loaded with all the facts and stats for the players. I was upset when it wasn't published. I had been very analytical in my assessment. It didn't take very long for me to change my mind. I was glad it was trash canned. I'm sure they would have had a field day printing all the complaint letters at the end of the season.
I was also puzzled when Whitely had both Fingers AND Sutter. I didn't see a second trade coming for Rollie. His injury in the WS may well have been the difference.
 
#149      
I was really mad when Whitey traded away Templeton. I thought it was the most ridiculous move ever. I wrote a complaint letter to the editor. I think it was to The Sporting News. Loaded with all the facts and stats for the players. I was upset when it wasn't published. I had been very analytical in my assessment. It didn't take very long for me to change my mind. I was glad it was trash canned. I'm sure they would have had a field day printing all the complaint letters at the end of the season.
I was also puzzled when Whitely had both Fingers AND Sutter. I didn't see a second trade coming for Rollie. His injury in the WS may well have been the difference.
Looking back on their stats, I can 100% see why you felt that way at the time. I didn't realize that, even though Templeton had been playing longer he was actually younger than Ozzie. He also had a better track record at the time they were traded. I'm sure the Padres felt pretty good about the trade at the time. I'm guessing nobody predicted that Templeton's offense would regress while Ozzie's bat would drastically improve after the trade, to the point where Ozzie was better both as a batter and fielder, which is what makes the deal a stroke of genius in retrospect. And Templeton wasn't a bad defender either before the trade. He actually had more dWAR in 1981 than Ozzie.

This was before my time (I was born 3 years after that trade!) so I'm wondering what the consensus in St. Louis was about it when the trade first went down?
 
#150      
Looking back on their stats, I can 100% see why you felt that way at the time. I didn't realize that, even though Templeton had been playing longer he was actually younger than Ozzie. He also had a better track record at the time they were traded. I'm sure the Padres felt pretty good about the trade at the time. I'm guessing nobody predicted that Templeton's offense would regress while Ozzie's bat would drastically improve after the trade, to the point where Ozzie was better both as a batter and fielder, which is what makes the deal a stroke of genius in retrospect. And Templeton wasn't a bad defender either before the trade. He actually had more dWAR in 1981 than Ozzie.

This was before my time (I was born 3 years after that trade!) so I'm wondering what the consensus in St. Louis was about it when the trade first went down?
The Wizard was teachable.

I don't know if you read about his and Whitey's bet. Every ground ball earned Ozzie a buck. Every fly ball cost him one. There was more to it than that but you get the gest. Whitey wanted him to use his speed and not his non existent home run power. Especially in Busch Stadium.

As far as fan reaction. This was before the internet and I am 4 hours away so no newspapers or radio talk shows for me. Others will have a better handle on it but the initial rection was utter shock. Looking at the two of them didn't make any sense. I am trying to decide what Cardinal Nation felt but I am looking through my own bias and struggling. In my family only my Dad was a Cardinal fan and I don't feel his opinions ever tracked with the mainstream on any issue. Sports, politics or whatever. Let's say there were people who grew tired of Garry's antics. He took him out of a game for giving fans the finger when they booed him for not running out a dropped third strike. But Ozzie was showing his displeasure in SD as well. So were we really any better?
 
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