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Robert's got a piece up that suggests the Krush was energized, but to yell obscenities at Wisconsin's bench. So they've got energy, they're just being baited to do dumb stuff with it, and then when it comes time to actually react to the game being played, they're doing a ton of standing there with their arms folded.

Nailing it.
 
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When I was a student, and I think this is still the case today, if you weren’t in Krush student tickets were scattered throughout section C. There was not a concentrated student section. It seems obvious to me that there should be. That’s what you see at other college stadiums that have far better atmospheres. On one end of the court there needs to be a student section that starts behind Krush hand extends up to section C. You can’t get students excited about going to games if there isn’t a student section like that. And it can’t be only in section C. You have to give people a chance that if they show up early they can be close.

I get it that there’s old people money involved. But if they can make this happen at other big-time program stadiums why not at Illinois?
 
#153      
When I was a student, and I think this is still the case today, if you weren’t in Krush student tickets were scattered throughout section C. There was not a concentrated student section. It seems obvious to me that there should be. That’s what you see at other college stadiums that have far better atmospheres. On one end of the court there needs to be a student section that starts behind Krush hand extends up to section C. You can’t get students excited about going to games if there isn’t a student section like that. And it can’t be only in section C. You have to give people a chance that if they show up early they can be close.

I get it that there’s old people money involved. But if they can make this happen at other big-time program stadiums why not at Illinois?
preach GIF
 
#158      
When I was a student, and I think this is still the case today, if you weren’t in Krush student tickets were scattered throughout section C. There was not a concentrated student section. It seems obvious to me that there should be. That’s what you see at other college stadiums that have far better atmospheres. On one end of the court there needs to be a student section that starts behind Krush hand extends up to section C. You can’t get students excited about going to games if there isn’t a student section like that. And it can’t be only in section C. You have to give people a chance that if they show up early they can be close.

I get it that there’s old people money involved. But if they can make this happen at other big-time program stadiums why not at Illinois?
I can distinctly remember three games when I walked out of the Assembly Hall while a student and my ears were ringing.

1997 Michigan
1998 Michigan State
1998 Iowa

We need to get back to that. As mentioned earlier, this is a negative mark on an otherwise sterling resume for Josh Whitman. The DIA needs to figure this out. Our home environment is bad-there is simply not a more diplomatic word to use.
 
#161      
I'm tired of blaming the Krush/Fans. We lose too many home games we shouldn't. I get its all related.

Why is it wrong to call out and insist the administration fix what is a weak student section? It is an issue of both quality and quantity and we trail, by a lot, our peers. Those teams have reason to expect energy and home cooking. It’s to a point where we now play better on the road. That’s a massive handicap. Why is this OK?
 
#162      
I'm tired of blaming the Krush/Fans. We lose too many home games we shouldn't. I get its all related.
The Krush/fans bear a not-insignificant part of the blame for those home losses, which is one of the points of this thread.

SFC has devolved to the point where I am less confident about home games than I am about road games.
 
#163      
The Krush/fans bear a not-insignificant part of the blame for those home losses, which is one of the points of this thread.

SFC has devolved to the point where I am less confident about home games than I am about road games.

It’s not a coincidence that 2 of 3 losses were at HOME even though our harder games have been on the road. We have no home court advantage. But it’s not just the fans. It is the lack of a student section of a SIZE comparable with other big programs.
 
#164      
As someone who has been in SFC a lot this year, and was present for the Wisconsin Game, the crowd WANTED to be in it. There were some AMAZING moments (like when Ben hit the three at the end)

But anytime we had momentum 1 of three things happened:
1: Wis hit a three (and drained all the energy with it
2: Mirk Turnover
3: missed Free throw.

As someone in the stands, I couldn't sustain the energy when we presented a C game to watch
I'm going to start out by saying I really appreciate the earnestness of your response. I feel this is the closest I've come to identify what is actually going on this year. And I feel you are probably the most uniquely qualified on here to give us your opinions on how to turn things around so do not take anything I'm saying as a slight.

What you're saying validates what everyone is saying. If a fanbase can't get into a game where an opponent does anything positive or when your team doesn't play an A+ game, routing an opponent by 50pts, or when a team is Top 10 in the country with national championship aspirations, or when it's a 1 possession game late and you desperately need a stop, then yeah, that's indeed the problem.

I mean logically, a team doesn't need a fanbase's support when they're playing well and blowing an opponent out. A team does need support in close games and key moments. So if fans don't have energy to do the latter, what's the point? And by the way, it's not like our fans were going crazy when we were blowing teams out at home either.

And listen, I'm not saying you're not a "real" fan. In fact I think you're very representative of the fans who are going to the games. But it does verify the narrative that the fans aren't going to the games to support the team or affect the game, it's solely to be entertained and see the team win. Like going to a concert and sitting there stoically and silently, politely clapping after each song and then standing up briefly cheering for an encore only if the musician gave what you deem to be a truly exceptional performance. It doesn't make you any less of a fan, but it does make for a much different experience than most of us have had.

I guess the question for you is do you believe that Illinois could do anything that isn't strictly on court performance that could get people out of their seats and energized over the course of a game? Because that I think is what we're all trying to ascertain, and quite frankly I think you might be one of the few people on here to be able to answer that. Is there anything that can be done?
 
#165      
I'm tired of blaming the Krush/Fans. We lose too many home games we shouldn't. I get its all related.
It’s not all about the fans. The arena itself is not conducive to being loud. The seating arrangements are not great. Yes, fans need to be more vocal, but there are other factors easy and hard to fix that are part of the issue as well.
 
#166      
Robert's got a piece up that suggests the Krush was energized, but to yell obscenities at Wisconsin's bench. So they've got energy, they're just being baited to do dumb stuff with it, and then when it comes time to actually react to the game being played, they're doing a ton of standing there with their arms folded.

Nailing it.

The only consistent organized cheer they had all night was chanting Boyer suck a couple of times....really effective.

Again though I dont want to let the rest of the fanbase off the hook and make it seem like only Krush is the problem. It seems like coming to games has turned into an entertainment event like an NBA game where people are going just to watch.
 
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We do lose a lot of home games these days, never happened with the good teams in 89, 02 and 05....the home court advantage and the ravage fan base was just too much for the opponents and officials to overcome, and those teams had to deal with injuries as well.
 
#169      
You want ruckous, loud fans, quit jacking the prices up to where only those making/have that kind of money can attend! Let's face it, the upper echelon of society that can afford the lower bowl, or even middle bowl are not going to be loud and intense. They are there because they have always been there and it's something for them to tell their friends and family about "I have ticket in section 110 and have had since the Lou Henson era." What did I see, $185 million in revenue, or something like that, but we have to treiple or quadruple the price of tickets?

It's college, get the kids in the entire lower bowl, lower the price of the middle bowl and offer free beer. Those fans will get loud, promise!!
 
#172      
I'm tired of blaming the Krush/Fans. We lose too many home games we shouldn't. I get its all related.
Over the past 5 years, we've lost 16 home games. For reference:

Home losses over past 5 years:
Purdue: 8
MSU: 15
Illinois: 16
Iowa: 19
Indiana: 22
Michigan: 24
Rutgers: 26
OSU: 26
Maryland: 29
Nebraska: 34

I won't bother doing the others, but we basically have the same number of home losses as MSU over the past 5 years. Only Purdue has been way ahead. Blaming losing too much at home would basically argue that no team but Purdue should have an active fanbase.
 
#174      
The arena should have been torn down, not renovated. Remember going to an Arizona State game in 1979, and couldn't believe how much a flat roof keeps in the noise. Domes suck. BTW, the starting lineup for ASU that year was unbelievable -- Kurt Nimphius, Byron Scott, Fat Lever, Alton Lister and Sam Williams.
 
#175      
Over the past 5 years, we've lost 16 home games. For reference:

Home losses over past 5 years:
Purdue: 8
MSU: 15
Illinois: 16
Iowa: 19
Indiana: 22
Michigan: 24
Rutgers: 26
OSU: 26
Maryland: 29
Nebraska: 34

I won't bother doing the others, but we basically have the same number of home losses as MSU over the past 5 years. Only Purdue has been way ahead. Blaming losing too much at home would basically argue that no team but Purdue should have an active fanbase.
No way Nebraska is 34. After our game announcers said Mast was 46-2 at home (i think but now 46-3) unless they really stunk before Mast was at Nebraska
 
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