Yeah, you caught me. That was a bit dramatic. Probably not fair to call a Hall of Fame coach "2nd or 3rd rate."But I don't think he'd be in my top 10 coaches to lead a basketball team today, in 2022. This list doesn't even have him in the top 25.
Syracuse game (Nov. 29th)
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Yeah, you caught me. That was a bit dramatic. Probably not fair to call a Hall of Fame coach "2nd or 3rd rate."But I don't think he'd be in my top 10 coaches to lead a basketball team today, in 2022. This list doesn't even have him in the top 25.
I know these things are obviously subjective…but
But I don't think he'd be in my top 10 coaches to lead a basketball team today, in 2022. This list doesn't even have him in the top 25.
Scheyer…#10? Based on what? Being a Dookie? His been there about 5 seconds.
Juan Howard…the 18th best coach in college basketball? I don’t buy that.
I don’t think he’s as bad as some on here
say…but Nah…good recruiter. Decent playbook. Makes some nice game adjustments here and there. But 18?
Ransom Stoddard
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That's his MMA ranking.
I had a couple of head shakes, then got to Scheyer and just stopped reading.
Rees Woodcock? I raise you Isaac Trotter
But I don't think he'd be in my top 10 coaches to lead a basketball team today, in 2022. This list doesn't even have him in the top 25.
This has been brought up on various threads here and it just isn't true. The last time I looked the B10 has had more Final Four teams than any other conference since 2000 (ACC might have jumped us with two this past season). The reality is that winning in the one and done tournament takes consistency, talent and luck. 15 of the of the last 21 tournaments have been won by six schools (Duke 3, UNC 3, UCONN 3, Kansas 2, Florida 2, Nova 2). With the exception of Florida, who had 5 future pros return to go back to back, the common dominators are a consistent influx of top talent and all time great coaches who stayed with their programs for decades. And all of these coaches have had their fair share of tournament flameouts as well.
This is where the luck factor (injuries, matchups, players coming back instead of turning pro, cold shooting night, foul trouble, etc) comes in. All of these schools have/had a system in place to consistently have a shot year in and year out and coaches who have been there before and know what to expect at each stage. Don't for a second think this isn't a huge advantage in preparing their players.
In any given year there are 4-5 teams give or take that have a legitimate shot at winning it all and if you're only one of those 4-5 teams once a decade or worse the odds of pushing through are not great. Look how long it took K and Roy and even Self to a lesser extent to win their first championships.
Both statements can be true:
- The Big10 style becomes a liability in the NCAA tournament.
- The Big10 gets a lot of teams to the final 4.
If the Big10 teams are enough better than their opponents, then they will be able to overcome the refereeing disadvantage. When the skill difference becomes smaller, then the Big10 will tend to lose.
If the above is true, and the Big10 tends to have better teams than other leagues, then the expected result is a number of teams reaching the Elite 8 and Final 4, and very few national championships.
Until the Big 10 actually shows up in the NCAA and advances teams, these comments will be out there. You can make all ther excuses in the world, but the results on the court during the NCAA tournament are the only thing that matters.
Both statements can be true but was what evidence shows that they are?
In the age of analytics I'd think it'd be pretty easy to show that B10 teams are have more fouls called on them in the the NCAA tournament than in conference play or even more fouls called on them in the tournament vs the rest of the field. And if it is true (doubtful) then you would think the coaches would be screaming to the high heavens for changes to be made if not adjusting on their own.
After seeing Howard at 18 I was expecting Kenny Payne to be in the top 10.
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Disagree. I think St. John's will be knocking on the door for top 25 soon. I would be surprised if they do not make it to the tourney this year.
Well they’ve been pretty terrible…quite recently, indeed. (The Chris Mullins Experiment sure didn’t pan out. Lol.) So I get what you’re saying…
But SJ is 6-0 is this year…so maybe not terrible? (yes,at least 3 teams they played were cupcakes but everybody in the country has a couple of those.)
Syracuse (3-2) doesn’t have a super strong early schedule either…and they also got beat by Colgate.(4-2)
If Coach Boheim is a second or third rate coach, why would Duke's Coach K consult with him about the techniques used to play the match up.. Somebody said it perfectly. The Syracuse defense is different and hard to attack offensively. That is the essence of coaching. Prepare something defensively that is difficult to solve offensively.
& vice versa…
I doubt we will see Syracuse in the tournament. We will just have to beat whoever we face in the tournament.Well, I think to his point, we would need to beat him in the NCAA tournament. His team would have to get there first though.
Boeheim isn't in the first tier of college basketball coaches in 2022. He's just not.
Great resume. Has been to the Final Four as recently as 2016, so I'm not diminishing his historic accomplishments.
But the last time he finished higher than 6th in his conference, Barack Obama was president.
He had a losing season last year and his team doesn't look particularly great this year.
I submit to you yet another list that doesn't have him in the top 20 college basketball coaches of 2022. Call it what you will, but seems he's much closer to "second rate" than "top tier".
I only looked at last year’s tourney and I added by hand, so might be slightly off
Fouls
Big 10 — 280
Opp — 309
Foul Shots
Big 10 — 339
Opp — 257
Fouls — Big 10 wins
Big 10 — 130
Opp — 175
Foul Shots — Big 10 wins
Big 10 — 210
Opp — 103
Fouls — Big 10 losses
Big 10 — 150
Opp — 134
Foul Shots — Big 10 losses
Big 10 — 129
Opp — 154
I’m not seeing much to show that games are being called that much different in tourney. In the losses, you’d expect slightly higher number of fouls called on BIG team with end of game fouling being done to lengthen game.
In Illinois’s two tourney games, more fouls were called on the opponents in each game. Over the course of the two games, Illinois was called for 31 fouls, opponents 37 fouls. Illinois had 38 foul shots, opponents 31. In the last two games the Illini played prior to NCAA tourney, Illinois had 32 fouls called on them, opponents 38. Illini had 41 foul shots, opponents 35.
Thanks for gathering the numbers. If one eliminates the ~20 fouls against Kofi (10/game?), then the numbers are pretty even.
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He's listed at number 22 in the linked list you just shared. By definition, that's not top 20, but surely the Internets could produce a list without him on it entirely to help you state your case.
You are correct. I posted this one yesterday.
TBH, if I were making a top 25 list, Boeheim would probably be on it (toward the bottom). I'm just trying to point out that it's not really a hot take to say he's not a tier 1 or even tier 2 head coach anymore. National media shares that opinion.
Nice
Game starts at 6:30 pm. They might have made a change in the start time.
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Lol touché
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