He’s not in Kansas right now….if he wasn’t allowed to travel domestically he wouldn’t have been allowed to return to Illinois.
Terrence Shannon Jr. reinstated
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It's not as if people can't find him if they want to. He is at Ubben at 0445 every morning....
I have no idea if TS is guilty of any wrong doing, and either do any of you. NONE of us know these players besides the small speck we’re allowed to see, bow in toe. However, suspending him for being charged with something is wrong. It’s not an innocent-until-proven-guilty action.
In the “Beware what you wish for” category…
TS returning is likely to create a huge distraction. The road, especially, just got way more tough.
In the “Beware what you wish for” category…
TS returning is likely to create a huge distraction. The road, especially, just got way more tough.
He still came into ubben.
I think most people acknowledge that, and also acknowledge that not all charge/arrests meet the same standard of proof.
You can both be right.
The Illini basketball roster page still says Shannon is suspended; however his NIL page is up now.
This is good news. I know with some bail programs, the court requires you to stay in your local area, even if out of state. Thanks for putting this issue to rest. I was worried he would end up like that Michigan player and only be able to play home games for now...
I know many others have said it, but I'm grateful for people like you illini0440!
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I actually didn’t even watch that video, haha. But he was so obnoxious when he literally got out a notepad to “write the Illini off” without Shannon like two weeks ago. Sounded like such a tool.
Quite a take here
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
While I agree with your general point here, your tone conveys that all charges meet at least some respectable standard that should warrant a suspicion of the accused person’s guilt … and I flat out reject that idea.
Can confirm ... We do not run our program like Michigan does ... TJ is eligible for road games ...
It's not that there's not a difference.... but what is still the same is that it remains an unproven allegation. The fact that a criminal charge exists only indicates that the investigators find the allegation to be credible. There is a huge gap between credible and proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Nobody should be caught up in the fact that TSJ has been charged. Nobody should be criticized for believing the accuser or the accused. Both are positions that could be correct. Everyone should be bothered when somebody is punished before all of the evidence is presented and a legal determination is made. I have a problem when then University makes a legal determination based on charges. TSJ should not have to answer the University nor are they a competent investigative body. "More likely than not" to have committed the alleged crime is not an acceptable standard to deprive a student to participate in University activities. In the absence of a confession or videotaped evidence of a crime TSJ should be allowed to live his life. This includes playing basketball. I am sick of this nonsense of worrying about appearances and appeasing The mob. The University should not weigh in on an ongoing criminal investigation Let the process play out! Even the process is imperfect . It is possible that he could be wrongly convicted if innocent or wrongly exonerated if guilty but either way he deserves the presumption of innocence.
End of season awards are a combination of earned and media darling/popularity contests. I foresee some accolades taking into account the latter and snubbing. Hope I'm wrong.You know TSJ is going to have a raging fire inside him. That will 100% spread to his teammates. I wouldn't be surprised if he finished the season around 25PPG and still gets his AA status, along with B1G First Team. Edey has B1G POTY and Naismith locked up again. Thank goodness a sasquatch like that only comes around once a decade or so
Can confirm ... We do not run our program like Michigan does ... TJ is eligible for road games ...
This is one thing I do think our fanbase might be underestimating. There's really no preparation that's going to be enough for TSJ when he steps into an opposing arena. Watching the Patrick Kane sexual assault case take place in real time, how fans treated him was extremely harrowing even well after evidence was coming out that made it very clear he was wrongly accused. This included not only boos and jeers, but some vile outbursts like sing-song rapist chants amongst man others. It took an emotional toll on him, and he went through a pretty major character change. I'm not saying that TSJ isn't mentally strong or unable to keep out noise, but this is something that he has never experienced before. And that's not even mentioning that he has a serious court case over his head right now. It'd be surprising to me if he wasn't affected at all.
I like that he'll somewhat be eased back in with 3 home games along with @NW and @OSU, which aren't the most intimidating B10 arenas in his first 5 games. But @MSU and @Maryland in those next 3 games are going to be rough. Maryland especially. Anyone who knows that program knows what their fans do to opposing teams and players; you can all but expect jeers, threats, racism, and things thrown at him. There are bounds to a person's mental fortitude, and he's going to be tested hard. I think we all have to be aware and understanding of that because he may have some struggles in his return. That said, I think we have a good team around him to offer support when needed.
You know TSJ is going to have a raging fire inside him. That will 100% spread to his teammates. I wouldn't be surprised if he finished the season around 25PPG and still gets his AA status, along with B1G First Team. Edey has B1G POTY and Naismith locked up again. Thank goodness a sasquatch like that only comes around once a decade or so
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Any IANALs want to venture a guess at the odds of charges being dropped on 2/23 by the judge? IF no more compelling evidence is shown and the judge already doesn’t trust this DA … well, nothing wrong with a fool’s hope if you ask me.
I am definitely NAL and I would guess the odds at 2 to 1. Also not staying at a Holiday Inn Express any time soon, so that could fluctuate either way. JMHO.....it really really is.
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I think it's likely if the TRO is permanent and Underwood plays Shannon. The only way this case works is if Shannon is pressured by being unable to play that he has to settle with the DA, giving Valdez something she can market as a win.
GallopingGhost
- Denver, CO
Im ready to run through the rest of the Big Ten. Let’s get it done.
The difference is the policy specifically states they will suspend based on a criminal charge. Whereas it doesn't state that it will lead to suspension based on an accusation.
Where the university went wrong with this is that the policy itself has terms that protect the student that it did not allow to happen, in large part because the timing of the charges would have meant that review would have been ongoing during the basketball season.
So you have the situation where Terrence Shannon has been arrested for a violent crime, but the university by its own terms can't do anything until it allows the student to plead his case. They didn't allow that, in part because they knew the time between allegation and arrest was a period of months, and they were trying to appear to take this sort of thing seriously. So they jumped the gun.
THAT is why they shouldn't have suspended him, according to Judge Lawless.
Had the university followed its own terms, investigated the matter appropriately, allowed Terrence to present his case to them, they still could have suspended him completely irrespective of the results of the criminal case. But because they failed to do that, the court granted him an injunction.
Late edit: as the podcast pointed out, it's quite unlikely the injunction would have been granted to Luke Goode or AJ Redd. Because they couldn't say the same level of harm would be caused for them. Which means the university could have suspended them the exact same way, and it's possible a different form of relief is provided instead.
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Biggest win of the season so far!
Now go out and get some more. I-L-L!!
Now go out and get some more. I-L-L!!
IANAL, but I think the first week of February will be very telling. Lawrence has until 1/31 to hand over all key evidence in the case to TSJ's attorneys. I would expect his legal team to take to task anything that doesn't meet a legal level of scrutiny and be vocal about major shortcomings in the DA's case. It's going to get really loud if there's no additional evidence of value from what has already been leaked, and if that's the case, there indeed might be substantial pushback from the judge on 2/23.
frozenrope9190
- Aurora, IL
I think its encouraging for the overall case that this judge granted the injunction using her ruling that the loss of income is not speculative. To me, if youre guilty and going to prison, you lose all your prospective basketball income, so she must feel that there are merits to his case being successful and that there is real money being lost by the continued suspension.
If the evidence was overwhelming, she might have ruled that the money lost was more speculative, because he was less likely to actually see it.
If the evidence was overwhelming, she might have ruled that the money lost was more speculative, because he was less likely to actually see it.
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