In other words, Judge Lawless has Shannon on her draft board as a lottery pick.
Terrence Shannon Jr. reinstated
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For anybody looking at the full text of Lawless' decision, it can be found here: Lawless TRO Decision
I'll ease your burden and tell you, that yes, you are wrong 
By the time they vote on AA's, there won't be any reminiscing of this atrocity. IANAV *voter*
By the time they vote on AA's, there won't be any reminiscing of this atrocity. IANAV *voter*Her ruling had nothing to do with the strength/weakness of the evidence in the criminal sexual assault case.
The ruling to grant the preliminary injunction was entirely that: (1) TSJ has a good chance of winning the case against UIUC (that UIUC should have followed a more thorough process if it's going to suspend him), and (2) he would be subject to more irreparable harm than the university if he isn't allowed to play while the court makes a final determination on (1).
Edit: I see your point more clearly now (that the value of future earnings is weighted by the probability of success in the criminal case), but the judge did not mention that at all, so I don't think we should interpret today's ruling that way
I'm pretty sure they went way above all of those things with J.J Redick. They terrorized him once his phone number got out. Those damn Turdles 
Loyalillini10
- Urbana, IL
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
The TRO and the accusation of rape are two entirely separate cases. Judge Lawless would have had no access to evidence regarding the rape accusation because that's not the legal question she was called to consider.
From what I read, the only tie-in to the Kansas case in the TRO ruling was her statement that being benched harms the public perception of him being innocent until proven guilty. She's right, but she didn't need (or have) access to the Kansas evidence to come to that conclusion.
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jakeyjakey
- St Louis, MO
You forgot that he said we were basically a 10 seed without TJ…which is a bad take.
He is a no doubt first team All American so far this year when he plays. I dont think Brad will give a damn about any team chemistry that may have been built in his absence by the current starting 5, the chemistry was there when TJ was starting also. And TJ likely has kept himself in game shape as he clearly feels he is innocent and wanted nothing more than to get back on the court ASAP. And if he made it back to the court, the possibility to get drafted and earn millions is back on the table, so I doubt he was just watching TV from his couch this whole time.
Lots of motivation for TJ to start and for Brad to let him start. He might even come out and tomahawk one off the tip.
Also, I think the team would want him to be in the starting lineup. They seem to have amazing chemistry this year. And it would be at the expense of Goode likely. And Goode himself would probably willingly give up his spot for TJ to start after everything that’s happened.
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I have mixed emotions about the TJ situation.
1. He will be well received here at home but on the road will be cruel in places like MSU, Wisconsin, Maryland, Iowa and Penn State. Fans can be very cruel and like so many prejudge a person's innocence or guilt. TJ's mental and emotional being will be well tested in the coming days. I hope for the best for him.
2. Will he be on top of his game with this rape charge hanging over him?
3. How will the team react with all the negative hype surrounding him?
4. Will the team still play as a unit like they have been without him, will they still have that never give up attitude that I saw and love.
5. Will the team set back and let TJ take over like they did before?
A lot of questions to be answered. I hope the best for TJ and my hope is he blends in with the team concept and doesn't play my ball.
This team is pretty good without him and could be great with him back if it is all about the team.
1. He will be well received here at home but on the road will be cruel in places like MSU, Wisconsin, Maryland, Iowa and Penn State. Fans can be very cruel and like so many prejudge a person's innocence or guilt. TJ's mental and emotional being will be well tested in the coming days. I hope for the best for him.
2. Will he be on top of his game with this rape charge hanging over him?
3. How will the team react with all the negative hype surrounding him?
4. Will the team still play as a unit like they have been without him, will they still have that never give up attitude that I saw and love.
5. Will the team set back and let TJ take over like they did before?
A lot of questions to be answered. I hope the best for TJ and my hope is he blends in with the team concept and doesn't play my ball.
This team is pretty good without him and could be great with him back if it is all about the team.
look at TJs civil legal team. Lang-Illinois undergrad (Wake law). Beckett (Illinois undergrad and law). Goldenberg-same. Spector-same. Illinois definitely a big thing to them.
illini80
- Forgottonia
Wonder if he will be on sports talk this morning? He’s been a semi-regular guest. I wouldn’t think there would be any negative aspects to him discussing the case at this point.
Captain 14
- The Last Best Place
Not a felony.
Except in Kansas
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
first and foremost - I’m happy , really happy , for TSJ. I had a very close friend get wrongfully accused of sexual assault while in college at UI in the 1980’s . It ruined his entire sophomore year and while never formally charged by police , the UI internal reviews lasted months until the accusations were formally withdrawn by this girl . No, the accused was not me .
But yes, there are many many cases just like his , where in the drunken weekend night college environment , guys & girls are all to eager to drink too much and then lose their clothes , where things can happen & then there are regrets afterwards . it happens ALL THE TIME .
second - I’m happy for Illini Nation as we never seem to get this kind of positive news in these types of “legal” issues .
At 4:00 yesterday , I would have put our chances of getting the TRO at 5%-10%.
now ? we need to get on a 6-7 game or more winning streak and claw back into the top 5. I’ll be very surprised if TSJ doesn’t start vs Rutgers & all games thereafter
But yes, there are many many cases just like his , where in the drunken weekend night college environment , guys & girls are all to eager to drink too much and then lose their clothes , where things can happen & then there are regrets afterwards . it happens ALL THE TIME .
second - I’m happy for Illini Nation as we never seem to get this kind of positive news in these types of “legal” issues .
At 4:00 yesterday , I would have put our chances of getting the TRO at 5%-10%.
now ? we need to get on a 6-7 game or more winning streak and claw back into the top 5. I’ll be very surprised if TSJ doesn’t start vs Rutgers & all games thereafter
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Probability was not considered. Judge is considering the present. There are 4 possibilities: suspend vs reinstate and innocent vs guilty. If suspend, you cannot time travel and undo irreparable harm. If reinstate and guilty, then the punishment would be realized at a future point in time
Whitman did his job...he followed the policy that was in place and followed the steps as he should have....if the policy is flawed, that's not on JW....but it will be his job to lead the charge to change the policy
1. Glad he is back.
2. Ready to embrace the roll as fan of the heel team.
3. Hope the University revamps their policies quickly. I'm not sure what that reform looks like, but hopefully more lenient so as not to suspend in this case and similar, but not so lenient that if god forbid there is something far worse, like Baylor in 2003 among many examples, the school can act immediately and not have the threat of a TRO reinstatement looming since there is now precedent for this. I do wonder how the new policy could be written fairly if there is a sliding scale of harm based on how good the athlete is and what sport they play.
2. Ready to embrace the roll as fan of the heel team.
3. Hope the University revamps their policies quickly. I'm not sure what that reform looks like, but hopefully more lenient so as not to suspend in this case and similar, but not so lenient that if god forbid there is something far worse, like Baylor in 2003 among many examples, the school can act immediately and not have the threat of a TRO reinstatement looming since there is now precedent for this. I do wonder how the new policy could be written fairly if there is a sliding scale of harm based on how good the athlete is and what sport they play.
Nothing personal against you but this take in general worries me. What happened with the TRO did not exonerate TJ. It had nothing to do with the criminal trial.
It does seem that the case against him is weak but nobody on here know what happened that day. I hope and believe he is innocent but there are still serious legal proceedings pending.
My two cents
Interesting point by Beckett this morning on Sports Talk. He said a TRO is normally granted in a situation where the plaintiff says “the world is ending” (his hyperbole) and the judge agrees that time is of the essence. The judge will then set a hearing for a preliminary injunction, allowing the opposing party time to respond.
But…. Because in this particular situation the UI submitted its response before the TRO hearing, the judge was able to determine there was enough information to skip the TRO step and just go ahead and grant the full preliminary injunction.
Like a hungry fisherman with a full tackle box of nightcrawlers, I eagerly await with baited breath the return of TSJ to an Illini team reaching peak form. Let the young man play, and support his family too. If he is found guilty in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt, then he will have to face the consequences of his alleged behavior. Prejudging and punishing him severely without any resort to due process is not in the interest of impartial justice, and the judge clearly saw it that way. Josh and the University had to follow their stated procedures, but I believe they are secretly relieved with this outcome. The fan base sure is.
Agreed. This whole thing was messy, but these rules were put in place to try and protect both parties. Keep in mind that there is no inalienable right for anyone to play D1 basketball. I think at the end of the day the judicial system, while clunky, ended up doing the right thing for someone who is steadfastly professing his innocence.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
of course
my point is people are wrongfully accused of crimes every day .
we have no idea if TSJ is guilty or not guilty of these charges , but his life should not be forever changed should he in fact be not guilty .
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