Athletes don't think like this, they aren't afraid of everything in life, and they certainly won't look at the most negative POV of every situation. I can tell you, I'm not in the locker room or their housing, but I bet every single one of them is happy as hell that he is back, and won't give 2 !!!!! about what some fans are saying in an opposing gym. They hear that and be more encouraged to beat them by 30 instead of 20
Terrence Shannon Jr. reinstated
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chiefini
- Rockford, Illinois
Agree, but I think I read that Whitman was the one who instituted the three person panel policy to give an opportunity for an athlete to expedite getting back to fully participating because Whitman realized the legal process took too long a time. As I said in a previous post, after TSJ was arrested, and the three person panel didn’t reinstate him, I think Whitman realized his policy was flawed and was hoping that the Shannon TRO would be granted. (After the insiders initially hinted that the DIA was pro TSJ, I even had the crazy thought that maybe the TRO was Whitman’s own idea). With the federal court order, now it IS his job to change the policy that he created to make it contain due process.
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drsmitty74
- Rochester
It already has.
There was zero due process (despite what was said to the media) so he absolutely has to change it. We can’t just have accusations resulting in automatic suspensions. This will be a tough solution to develop though.
201154JC
- Rockford, IL
BRAVO MY FRIEND. I L L...
Not knowing exactly how the three-person panel arrives at their decisions, I think the policy is fine, and probably functions well 99% of the time. This is a very extreme situation, based on TSJ’s future earnings potential and his remaining collegiate eligibility (i.e. if he were a sophomore, I think it would‘ve been tougher to get the TRO, especially with NIL now in the picture). I haven’t seen it in any of the posts, but apparently the University has a process called OSCR, which involves a more robust investigative and due process approach, and I believe started for TSJ in early January. Typically takes a few months, and he could ultimately be suspended (and maybe even kicked out of school), pending the findings. Anyhoo, excited to have TSJ back and glad to have JW as our AD!
Goillinikobd
- Southeastern US
Not that it matters, but been watching the non sports media comments section to two very accurate news reporting links on X and Fox, trying to sort out the rational responses.
Spit balling it, X commenters trend to be neutral to negative. Fox commenters are more 2 to 1 in favor of suspending the TRO, mostly citing the innocent until proven guilty. Again, these are comments in a domain not specifically focused on sports.
My take away is that pendulums swing. The trick is to not get on front of it when it’s coming your way. The University is still vulnerable to pressure and persuasion due to negative social driven publicity. See Harvard and its problems, although not sports related, still, a case of the power of public persuasion held by an influential minority.
Spit balling it, X commenters trend to be neutral to negative. Fox commenters are more 2 to 1 in favor of suspending the TRO, mostly citing the innocent until proven guilty. Again, these are comments in a domain not specifically focused on sports.
My take away is that pendulums swing. The trick is to not get on front of it when it’s coming your way. The University is still vulnerable to pressure and persuasion due to negative social driven publicity. See Harvard and its problems, although not sports related, still, a case of the power of public persuasion held by an influential minority.
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IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
Judges are historically viewed based on how many opinions they have overturned. If she's trying to establish sound legal reasoning to prevent that, I don't think it's excessive
You’d probably lose that bet.
The amount of crap those young men are going to face—both in the press and on the road—is not something they could ever be prepared for.
We’re not talking about a teammate who is returning from a recruiting scandal, or even a smaller criminal charge. What TS is being accused of is next-level disgusting.
Unfortunately, we live in a time where accusations closely resemble convictions.
The amount of crap those young men are going to face—both in the press and on the road—is not something they could ever be prepared for.
We’re not talking about a teammate who is returning from a recruiting scandal, or even a smaller criminal charge. What TS is being accused of is next-level disgusting.
Unfortunately, we live in a time where accusations closely resemble convictions.
I think he did Swoope, correct?
SKane
- Tennessee
I expect that other teams' fans will be as understanding as we would be if their team's best player had a similar situation.
On these type facts it was a case of first impression and this decision will be talked about/relied upon for years. This decision forever alters the public university suspension/discipline and due process equation. We are not an island. Every university is looking at their policy/process based on this decision. So no, the length of time involved the thoroughness and the length of the decision does not surprise me
blackdog
- Champaign
It wasn't installing the TRO it was her final ruling on the case.
Mitch Gilifillan (Sp?) made a great point in the video interview someone posted above, that TSJ has NOT been formally charged with ANYTHING at this point. There has been an accusation made, and an ethically questionable DA has taken a unilateral action. Nothing more than that. So in fact, TSJ actually WAS suspended simply because someone accused him if something.
Now we know how Kansas feels. Let's win it all.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
If any of you saw the disgusting highlights of Bulls fans brining a 90 year old widow to tears...I suggest you gird your loins for what's coming on the road.
People are cruel, crude, and clueless.
Fortunately only one of the next 5 games (@OSU) is a road game with this kind of possibility.
People are cruel, crude, and clueless.
Fortunately only one of the next 5 games (@OSU) is a road game with this kind of possibility.
chiefini
- Rockford, Illinois
I’m not sure if Beckett had anything to do with Swoope, but he definitely was front and center defending Deon against Iowa and the NCAA…
He definitely worked on the Craig Swoope case
You should read the ruling. Judge Lawless did in fact state that playing D1 basketball is a right under the 14th amendment. Pursuit of Life and Liberty.
You can best believe that this fanbase would ALL take the high road! We are a very very rational fanbase. We almost never, fly off the handle…or refuse to acknowledge that more than one thing can be true at the same time…like ever.
I mean as far as I’m willing to acknowledge, the only people that even have a problem with us are: Dick Nugginson, Indiana (a state full of a-holes) Iowa (a state full of idiots)…and MAYBE a few other miscellaneous random people…but I doubt it.
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I'm a retired lawyer and I think this is a really big deal. Had she simply entered the TRO, she would have also scheduled the injunction for hearing in the very near future. It is possible that would have compelled the University to whip up some procedural due process in the interim. That, in turn, would have created at least a risk that she would deny the injunction.
The PI as granted has no ending date. It will stay in place indefinitely until someone asks the court to do differently. But we seem to be off of the emergency track, so even if the U wants to contest this further, there is a very good chance the next hearing will happen after the basketball season has ended.
There are a lot of ifs and maybes in my thinking, but right now I think TJ is back for the rest of the season. I reserve the right to change my mind, as I've done more than a few times already in this case.
That is not what I read. I think she saw a property interest denied without due process, and that interest depended in large part on him being a projected lottery pick before the suspension and a far lower projected pick after the suspension.
She did mention NIL interests, and those are not limited to lottery picks.
In any case, she ruled on Count VI of the complaint, and that implicated §1983, not the Fourteenth Amendment. The two are connected.
Well I saw many references to the 14th Amendment in sections Procedural Due Process, and Liberty Interest.
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