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Obelix said:
I agree with all of that, that is actually my point. So calling Oregon an elite program in basketball is off the mark.
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Perhaps "elite" was a poor choice of words. They have become a very, very successful program under Altman.

I am not a fan of Brian Gregory but all these hypotheticals have little merit. Dana Altman failed at Kansas State, I am personally not sure if Altman would have succeeded at Illinois.
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It's impossible to know things to a metaphysical certainty, sure. But Dana Altman is a better basketball coach than Brian Gregory, something that the specific context of April 2010 obscured, but that the subsequent years have revealed in explicit detail. Oregon, after all that, had a choice between a winning future and a losing one, and that they made the right choice at that moment meant far more than the 37 days of mess that came before.
 
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Adnarel said:
That's true. The guy I was hearing from was simply suggesting that our incoming class stands to lose a lot of sparkle if Mizzou is allowed to act before we do on Tilmon and Smith. Hardly a surprise there.

Agree that we can't put the cart ahead of the horse here, even though it might sting up front.
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IMHO all that matters is the coach we hire and the timing doesn't really matter. I very much doubt, if we hire the right guy, that Tilmon and Smith are heading to Mizzou because of a week or two delay. I'm sure both will at least wait to see the hire given there is no rush or impending deadlines for them
 
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Really not fair.....

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Lovie was a much better NFL coach than Monty was an NBA coach.

That only matters so much, but it's true.
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Monty was 46-36 in 2010-2011 and made playoffs (his 1st year in New Orleans). Unfortunately for him, they then immediately traded Chris Paul and turned his team into an expansion roster. After 3 bad seasons, built team back into playoff team with 45-37 record.

Was then fired.....record since he was fired: 30-52 and currently 27-41.
 
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peoriabball13 said:
Respect your opinion sir and agree Dorsey is great. Also agree on the trajectory of Oregon. I guess where I see it is the trend of more highschool 5 star players committing to non blue bloods and even seeing some staying to play for the home school has me believing that the blue bloods are losing their stronghold on corralling every elite player.
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Thanks for the wishes and same to you!

As far as blue bloods losing their stronghold on 5* players, I am not sure that is true. They were never getting every 5* player. I am not sure if you look at the top school/top player recruitment over the years that there is a trend towards top programs starting to lose players.
 
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jbutts718 said:
Monty was 46-36 in 2010-2011 and made playoffs (his 1st year in New Orleans). Unfortunately for him, they then immediately traded Chris Paul and turned his team into an expansion roster. After 3 bad seasons, built team back into playoff team with 45-37 record.

Was then fired.....record since he was fired: 30-52 and currently 27-41.
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I am aware of this. And while he had Anthony Davis and other big talents, his later Pellies teams were a weird amalgamation that didn't make a ton of sense. The roster construction wasn't his fault.

But those teams played bad basketball. They played hard, they played together, they competed on both ends of the floor, but they were tactically overmatched. Which is why Monty, beloved by the whole organization, got let go.

I agree that what has happened since offers a bit of pause, but I saw what I saw.

I'd be excited to have Monty as Illinois' coach, but there would be some concerns there for sure.

(I don't think there's anything at all to this flight tracking business, FWIW)
 
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SycIllini said:
Have a bet with a couple of IU fans. Have to give 3 names for UI job and 3 names for IU job over the weekend. Who would be in your top three most likely for each job?

My thought so far UI-BDrew, Keats, Capel. IU-Marshal, Alford, ?.

Any suggestions?
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Something called "The Crimson Quarry" (SB Nation) has already proposed in no particular order, Sean Miller (albeit not seriously), Chris Collins, Kevin Keatts, Fred Hoiberg, Chris Holtmann and of course, A. Miller, Marshall and probably some of the others that are mentioned here frequently not to mention the ludicrous ones like Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan, although, of the latter two this Crimson Quarry was not too serious. And they don't want Alford.
 
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I think I can live with Scott Drew. Built up Baylor. The integrity concerns are real though, not sure how to get passed that.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I am aware of this. And while he had Anthony Davis and other big talents, his later Pellies teams were a weird amalgamation that didn't make a ton of sense. The roster construction wasn't his fault.

But those teams played bad basketball. They played hard, they played together, they competed on both ends of the floor, but they were tactically overmatched. Which is why Monty, beloved by the whole organization, got let go.

I agree that what has happened since offers a bit of pause, but I saw what I saw.

I'd be excited to have Monty as Illinois' coach, but there would be some concerns there for sure.

(I don't think there's anything at all to this flight tracking business, FWIW)
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Do you agree with the thought that the ability of NBA coaches outmatches the vast majority of college coaches, since many of colleges top coaches failed in the NBA.
 
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SycIllini said:
Have a bet with a couple of IU fans. Have to give 3 names for UI job and 3 names for IU job over the weekend. Who would be in your top three most likely for each job?

My thought so far UI-BDrew, Keats, Capel. IU-Marshal, Alford, ?.

Any suggestions?
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Keatts, Bryce and Jankovich for Illinois, Alford, Marshall and Holtmann for Indiana.
 
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dskibin2 said:
Another question on Monty. Does anyone have an indication of what type of game style we could expect him to run in college? I can't say I'm too familiar with his NBA teams.
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They tend to chuck it up every 24 seconds or so.
 
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BuddyJ said:
Do you agree with the thought that the ability of NBA coaches outmatches the vast majority of college coaches, since many of colleges top coaches failed in the NBA.
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Honest answer? I'm really not sure. They're different games.

College coaches have failed in the NBA more due to their inability to relate to and get the most out of their players than X's and O's, IMO.

When I think about NBA coaches for the Illini the Eddie Jordan experience at Rutgers absolutely terrifies me, that I will confess.
 
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BuddyJ said:
Do you agree with the thought that the ability of NBA coaches outmatches the vast majority of college coaches, since many of colleges top coaches failed in the NBA.
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I do not agree with this statement. I do not believe that there is any proof to that. NBA is a different animal and much of the success depends on management decisions (e.g., getting players, deals, etc.) versus the ability of a college coach to recruit players.
 
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i was looking at Peegs last night and a lot of posters want an IU guy. Alford is first, but mentions of Woodson, Whitson and even Dane Fife....
 
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jmwillini said:
i was looking at Peegs last night and a lot of posters want an IU guy. Alford is first, but mentions of Woodson, Whitson and even Dane Fife....
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Alford is not going back to IU, he is not leaving UCLA.
 
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jmwillini said:
i was looking at Peegs last night and a lot of posters want an IU guy. Alford is first, but mentions of Woodson, Whitson and even Dane Fife....
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Fife should be tops on this list.
 
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Like Bryce Drew, I don't know if he's willing to leave after one year at a place but how would people feel about Brad Underwood from Oklahoma State? He's only making $6.3 million over 5 years so money can sway him big time. He's won 2 tournament games at Stephen F Austin and went 89-14 there overall including 53-1 in conference. And he really turned things around in Stillwater this year.
 
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illynifan34 said:
I think I can live with Scott Drew. Built up Baylor. The integrity concerns are real though, not sure how to get passed that.
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I know this has come up a bunch, and I'm not calling you out to explain this specifically, but what are the "real" integrity issues with Scott Drew?

From what I can tell, he started getting Texas kids to consider a dormant Baylor program which drew the ire of Bobby Knight, Billy Gillespie and Rick Barnes and caused those guys to b**ch about it publicly.

IMO, the ability he has shown to successfully navigate the Texas AAU recruiting scene is something that should greatly appeal to Illinois fans given the challenges any coach faces in recruiting to this program.
 
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