The Illinois Coaching Search

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SimplyJoe

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NIT coaches should not even be in consideration. If they are JW should just have kept JG. Everything you hear about him is he is an outstanding person, great to the players, great in the community and great in the college basketball world. What he was missing after 5 years at Illinois is results on the floor. If we were living in another time he could have had more time to show results but we don't and he didn't. NIT coaches in general have not shown the ability to win consistently so the focus should be on the coaches that have. To take it a step further Cal stunk up the state of California going down the stretch and played right out of the only tournament that matters, Injuries the cause maybe but they stunk. Did CM do it on purpose to get out? If that is the case I don't want that type of coach. He had a job to do and he didn't get it done. If his heart wasn't in it he failed his players. He is not what Illinois needs. Do we want him because he grew up in Illinois? Because he can recruit, cause he brought in a couple of 5 stars? He will help us with the Chicago cesspool. Heck, Jamaal Walker recruited a 5 star, he knows the area, with that logic, give him the job. CM hasn't shown anything at any stop he's been that shows he can win consistently. He doesn't stay in any place long enough to show it which is a red flag. In my opinion he moves on before he is found out. Being Illinois born or a Illinois guy doesn't carry any magic. So Josh, say, no thank you to CM and focus your time on the guys that get it done.
 
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zhawks said:
After watching this cal meltdown I'm starting to see shades of John groce. Hope he's not our guy.
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There was a time when he was our guy. He is no longer our guy. He's Mizzou's guy. I'm sure he'll be a thorn in our side once a year going forward, but I think our guy can come out on top more often than not.
 
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MadSeason

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SimplyJoe said:
NIT coaches should not even be in consideration. If they are JW should just have kept JG. Everything you hear about him is he is an outstanding person, great to the players, great in the community and great in the college basketball world. What he was missing after 5 years at Illinois is results on the floor. If we were living in another time he could have had more time to show results but we don't and he didn't. NIT coaches in general have not shown the ability to win consistently so the focus should be on the coaches that have. To take it a step further Cal stunk up the state of California going down the stretch and played right out of the only tournament that matters, Injuries the cause maybe but they stunk. Did CM do it on purpose to get out? If that is the case I don't want that type of coach. He had a job to do and he didn't get it done. If his heart wasn't in it he failed his players. He is not what Illinois needs. Do we want him because he grew up in Illinois? Because he can recruit, cause he brought in a couple of 5 stars? He will help us with the Chicago cesspool. Heck, Jamaal Walker recruited a 5 star, he knows the area, with that logic, give him the job. CM hasn't shown anything at any stop he's been that shows he can win consistently. He doesn't stay in any place long enough to show it which is a red flag. In my opinion he moves on before he is found out. Being Illinois born or a Illinois guy doesn't carry any magic. So Josh, say, no thank you to CM and focus your time on the guys that get it done.
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I understand what you are saying but Tom Izzo spent his first 2 seasons as a head coach in the NIT inheriting a program that had been in the NCAA's 5 of 6 seasons prior.

I'm not saying you overlook how his team played down the stretch because it certainly is a factor to consider. However you have to weigh his complete resume to decide if he is right for the job.

I agree that being an Illinois guy doesn't carry any magic. However being an Illinois guy with connections and the respect of people who can help deliver elite talent to your program could produce magic. I still liken his ceiling to Henson. Terrific recruiting, some frustrating and questionable coaching but in the end won a ton of games here.
 
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Basementcheetos- I'm not sure anyone thinks that 4 million is not a different number than 2 million or that 4 million doesn't buy you more than 2 million or invest the same.

I think the argument is that your lifestyle in champaign doesn't change with the increase in money and money isn't everything. Last go around we couldn't get many coaches to come offering double their salary or sometimes more
 
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Just heard Kendall Gill on the Score, he's pushing for Sam Mitchell. Sam apparently contacted him after Groce was fired and really wants the job. Kendall also said it's important to get an "Illini Legend" on the bench to help recruit. Not sure about the latter, but Sam Mitchell is definitely an interesting idea....
 
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SimplyJoe said:
Amen, body of work doesn't show anything that says he is the right guy. The only thing that is consistent is folks thinks he will recruit well, what evidence is there of that? Let him go to Missery, not afraid. Our sights should be higher. If we think we are a top 25, top 15 program than we should have better coach to reflect that. The guys being discussed other than CM can coach and recruit, not sure if CM can do either. Just because he is from Illinois means nothing.
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If this is the redeeming quality above all others, Walker has proven to be our guy already for this. I know it is very rare for a new coach to be told "you must keep this guy or that guy", but in this case....I think it will happen.
 
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MainelyIllini

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Here's my list, which seems very similar to others:

1. A. Miller / Marshall / Bennett (I think at least 2 of these 3 are pipe dreams).

2. Kevin Keatts

3. Eric Musselman

4. S. Drew / B. Drew / Jeff Capel

No Cuonzo please. I think he is perfectly suited for the Mizzou job, unless Tom Crean takes it. Cuonzo hasn't been anywhere longer than 3 years, so I still don't trust his record of developing teams. In addition, he seems to take good talent and not do much with it....

Just my $0.02
 
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RichardKeanesHair said:
I think the job Archie wanted/wants is OSU. I just don't see him going to be the 4th most high profile coach in North Carolina. If it is OSU he wants, and Matta is still around, it's possible he says why not Illinois instead. Illinois and OSU are very comparable if we are willing to pay $4 million+. But maybe he just loves Columbus and will roll the dice that Matta flames out again next year
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I don't know any of these people, but this is a strong statement
https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanburr/status/831706089108492288
 
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illiniwil

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look folks, Miller, Bennett, the Drew's and Marshall need to be called and eliminated from consideration. Frankly, Marshall was never on my list. He uses job offers to increase his personal net worth. I'm also not thrilled with his sideline antics. But all of this either has been done or will be done quickly. Then we move on to Keatts and should be thrilled with this guys resume and coaching ability. Sit back and enjoy the ride.




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I am not interested in Cuonzo Martin. I hope that Josh has scratched that name off of his list. Hope he stays at Cal.
 
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mattcoldagelli

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LouAlcinder said:
Just heard Kendall Gill on the Score, he's pushing for Sam Mitchell. Sam apparently contacted him after Groce was fired and really wants the job. Kendall also said it's important to get an "Illini Legend" on the bench to help recruit. Not sure about the latter, but Sam Mitchell is definitely an interesting idea....
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Intrigued as to why Sam Mitchell wants the job so bad. I thought he got kind of a raw deal in Toronto.

I think he spent time as a player or coach with every Midwestern NBA franchise except the Bulls.
 
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The brainiacs on The Score this am we're touting Tom Crean as what Illinois needs. Just proves how out of touch these blowhards are with Illini Nation.
 
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Five years of memories.:)
 

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carmelillini said:
The brainiacs on The Score this am we're touting Tom Crean as what Illinois needs. Just proves how out of touch these blowhards are with Illini Nation.
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Agree with this however, 9 time NCAA participant, 3/4 Reg season champs, a final four, and 3 consensus all americans, and can recruit...

I think we have proven we could and have done much worse...that said, Miller Time for me or Keatts, not really interested in any one else. I do think McCall is the next proven "hot" coach though.
 
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Trakis

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Cuonzo lost to CSU last night? Yeah not sure I want to entertain the idea of him anymore.
 
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kcib8130

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PlayAZ said:
Agree with this however, 9 time NCAA participant, 3/4 Reg season champs, a final four, and 3 consensus all americans, and can recruit...

I think we have proven we could and have done much worse...that said, Miller Time for me or Keatts, not really interested in any one else. I do think McCall is the next proven "hot" coach though.
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I don't think a coach is going to change jobs within the conference. If he's fired from Indiana, why would we want another conference team's throwaway?

If this is the line of thinking, then why aren't we discussing Mike Davis, as he took Indiana further than Crean did?

Just not a lot of sense behind the thought we should hire Crean, Matta, etc.
 
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haasi

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How Illini would it be if we hire someone who's OK and down the road Walker turns out to be an awesome HC somewhere else


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kcib8130

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Cuonzo lost to CSU last night? Yeah not sure I want to entertain the idea of him anymore.
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I fail to see why people lump entire coaches careers into the most recent game. I understand if you don't think someone will succeed here because of recruiting, jumping jobs, or anything tangible like that, but he's not a bad coach because they lost last night.

Same thing applied to Groce towards the end, beat MSU and some were ready to extend him, lose to Rutgers and put the 'For Sale' sign out. Need to look at the entire body of work.
 
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Trakis said:
Cuonzo lost to CSU last night? Yeah not sure I want to entertain the idea of him anymore.
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You do realize that with Rabb & Bird hurt they was missing 41% of their scoring, 42% of their rebounding, 25% of their blocks and 25% of their steals per game. Not to mention that team was not all recruited by him... That's a huge loss.

I'm not completely defending Martin, but that's a huge loss of production


That would have been like Illinois playing with out Malcolm and Maverick, plus losing Leron's rebounding on top of it.
 
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JoseyWales83

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kcib8130 said:
I fail to see why people lump entire coaches careers into the most recent game. I understand if you don't think someone will succeed here because of recruiting, jumping jobs, or anything tangible like that, but he's not a bad coach because they lost last night.

Same thing applied to Groce towards the end, beat MSU and some were ready to extend him, lose to Rutgers and put the 'For Sale' sign out. Need to look at the entire body of work.
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Agreed, would people still want Bennett if he loses to Kevin Keatts?
 
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