TSJ Thread
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The biggest takeaway (at least should be) from @winepros comments are that eyewitness testimony is too often, wrong. I won't get caught up in her opinions, they are valid to her. When people are wrongly accused, they also become the victim. Especially now that society LOVES to pile on the accused. Of those wrongly accused, it's usually because of an eyewitness.
"...Loftus says, given the increasing number of people convicted with eyewitness testimony who have been subsequently exonerated by DNA evidence. Some 75% of the wrongful convictions for rape and murder, including a number that led to people being scheduled for execution, were based on eyewitness testimony."
Just one of many: https://www.science.org/content/article/how-reliable-eyewitness-testimony-scientists-weigh
"...Loftus says, given the increasing number of people convicted with eyewitness testimony who have been subsequently exonerated by DNA evidence. Some 75% of the wrongful convictions for rape and murder, including a number that led to people being scheduled for execution, were based on eyewitness testimony."
Just one of many: https://www.science.org/content/article/how-reliable-eyewitness-testimony-scientists-weigh
Pretty sure that's a dig at Curbelo from last year
I'm speaking on this because men can't. Somebody has to say what most of us are thinking, a hand up a skirt in a public place isn't rape. And I've had many more egregious things happen to me because I'm 67 years old. When I was at U of I, I worked at Kam's, I've seen a lot of things and had a lot of unwanted advances by men. So have most of my friends, and we're all glad that times have changed. I'm thrilled that men no longer get away with the things they used to. However, what is described in the police report should not have been charged as rape because of the connotation of that word. I was sick over this matter for several days thinking he had raped someone. When I read the details of the encounter, I'm spitting mad that this was charged as rape, and not sure the case has even been made for assault, at least not yet. Overzealous prosecutor overcharging and ruining TJ's reputation, and possibly his life. The case isn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, in my opinion, and he shouldn't be punished until it is.
MustangWally
- Mayfield
Perhaps we could have two threads:
TSJ Thread - Speculation (a very long thread)
And
TSJ Thread - Actual News (a very short thread)
TSJ Thread - Speculation (a very long thread)
And
TSJ Thread - Actual News (a very short thread)
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
The home page is actual news
Agreed. Like everything in life there exists a spectrum.
The media should be ashamed for the click bait headlines of TSJ charged with forceful rape. Immediately you mind goes to worse case scenario. I know mine did for the first day or two.
I do have a question. If Terrance get the TRO approved, does that have national implications?
Ryllini
- Lombard
I refuse to believe that this man doesn't post here. Looking at you @LvilleILL
I could only imagine the stories he would tell while crushing a case natty's.
I could only imagine the stories he would tell while crushing a case natty's.
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IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
It comes down to the legal definition in the State of Kansas. So, legally he's been charged with the correct crime based on the fact pattern. You disliking or disagreeing with their definition doesn't change that. You're arguing degrees; either way to get the charge, someone has to posit that they were touched against their will.
Here's where the disclaimer has to come in. In the case of TSJ, there are seemingly gaping holes in the story being presented from the DA. We won't know how that'll play out unless or until it comes to trial and everything is laid out on the table. From everything I've seen of TSJ, I find it difficult to believe, but it is still needs to be played out to its conclusion before we can say anything definitively. That's the legal side.
In terms of the university, I do agree we're in a gray area. He's been charged but the result of pulling him off the court has serious consequences. Those should be considered and balanced to ensure minimum damage. The struggle here is that we're more inclined to say it should tilt in favor of TSJ; the university clearly does not agree, and we're once again waiting to see how it plays out with the TRO.
I think it would for future, similar situations. Not to mention possible unintended consequences...
I don't know about that, it's listed as Count One (rape) or "Alternate" Count One (not rape)
That doesn't sound like they are clear on what he should have been charged with.
I have virtually no experience with the judicial system, however after reading all the posts in these TJS threads I perceive that it is quick and relatively easy to charge someone with a serious felony but the resolution is long, complicated, and laborious. It seems like a better balance would make our judicial system better. More scrutiny to charge means fewer cases that bog down the system. The ones that are charged get processed faster. I know that’s not solved in a basketball forum but do others with experience in this field have the same opinion or am I over simplifying? Btw if you think this is an odd post you can blame my IE professors from back in the day lol
Krombopulos_Michael
- Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
The law states what rape is - what’s being charged is non-consensual penetration via digits - that makes it the legal definition of rape (whether you believe TSJ is guilty or not). The logic presented in another example: if I don’t think smoking weed and driving is operating a vehicle under the influence - it’s not because I simply disagree with it.
Daddy Brad in disguise?
1m4tr
Cliffmas
As the person who created the line, this is the 4th one. So its hit the over as y'all said it would.
Disappointed Loyalty. Only 2 pages and it is already 3:30pm?
Dan's new thread strategy becomes obvious to all. The threads with the most ridiculous statements disappear slowly.
Disappointed Loyalty. Only 2 pages and it is already 3:30pm?
Yes, and it's looking more and more like, TSJ is the actual victim here.
Kat... I didn't like a lot of parts of her opinion either, but there is a very key part that you are overlooking, unless you are being just as dismissive of others' experiences. Are you sure you read her whole post?
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
I did, and I addressed my concerns directly to the source, hence me tagging her
This might me an unpopular opinion, but I think that we(as a fan base) need to let this go. That situation is going to pan out however it's going to pan out and whenever it's going to pan out. Glad the hot takes are slowing down. It, rightfully, got enormous attention early on. Have to accept the fact that this is going to make it's way through the legal system and that's going to take a long while....while the season moves on.
Disappointed Loyalty. Only 2 pages and it is already 3:30pm?
To quote coach Norman Dake, but....."My team is on the floor."
That's not new! They just get deleted quickly and few people see them, lol
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