The victim doesn't count as an eyewitness so it's literally zero eyewitnesses.
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The released legal documents. There's been hundreds of pages, it's all in there.
Sue who? Doesn't work that way.
At this point, it should be about TSJ reputation. I honestly thought the national perception of the Illini would have been much more hostile then it was.
He can sue the county like Albert Wilson is. No DNA and no witnesses? At least recover legal damages over frivolous prosecution.
He could sue the alleged victim for malicious prosecution. In theory he could sue the prosecutor as well but that's a much higher burden since they enjoy more immunity in these situations and TSJ would basically have to show that they went far beyond the scope of their duties. This usually only happens when it's proof they either fabricated evidence or withheld evidence showing a full exoneration but went forth with charges anyway.
To me, this wouldn't be an avenue I would recommend unless there is clear and convincing evidence where the victim knowingly fabricated facts. This would just keep him further exposed to relitigating the issue altogether with the alleged victim at least trying to show it was possible he was a perpetrator.
As in Nifong by Duke lacrosse players
The Sprouting Divot
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Tell me more about "he should have to" - I'm curious about how you propose to enforce this proclamation.
Lord Voldemort: Harbaugh is a good guy, totally not his fault he got suspended twice in the same season for cheating in two separate ways.
Also Lord Voldemort: TJ isn't safe yet because while the witness accounts and DNA evidence say he didn't do it, there's no video evidence of his entire trip to Kansas to prove it DIDN'T happen.
Also also Lord Voldemort: the only wizard to ever fail at the killing curse, not only once, but twice.
Ahh, Harbaugh...Nope, I'm not getting drawn back in...
As far as TSJ's case goes, there's a weird dynamic here, a toxic mix of old-fashioned chivalry and feminist theory that says "believe all women." The prosecutor could still go ahead with this case and while I like TSJ's chances even better now, only God knows what a jury will think. With any luck he won't get to one.
As far as TSJ's case goes, there's a weird dynamic here, a toxic mix of old-fashioned chivalry and feminist theory that says "believe all women." The prosecutor could still go ahead with this case and while I like TSJ's chances even better now, only God knows what a jury will think. With any luck he won't get to one.
Parrish is an embarrassment to all media. Not even sure I’d classify him as media anymore more like comedy.
It isn't clear that the absence of DNA is surprising given the nature of the alleged assault. Perhaps the case is unwinnable without DNA, but the accuser does "count" as a witness and could conceivably be convincing on her own.
Edit: for the record, I think the case is likely weak based on what's publicly known. Just trying to see all possibilities.
Edit: for the record, I think the case is likely weak based on what's publicly known. Just trying to see all possibilities.
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No, she didn't say her back was to him. She said she saw him from across the room, he called her over to him, she left the room, talked to her friend about it, went back in the room and went over to him, he pulled her to him and goped her.
She may be lying or mistaken (could've been someone else groping her while he pulled her to him), but based on her story she got a good look at him.
His employer, a judge (not really), or his wife (if applicable) should hold him accountable for the things he said. It’s 2024, just do the Twitter apology, although TSJ deserves for it to be a spoken video apology
I think it would have been had the facts indicated a more guilty tone than what was happening in this situation
I am a retired lawyer. The jury rules only on the evidence that it hears. If the DNA evidence is excluded at the Daubert hearing, they won't know whether any DNA tests were taken, nor will they know how those tests came out.
So given that YAAL and IANAL does it seem strange that the defense would be trying to get the DNA evidence thrown out? Or is the hearing to rule on what inferences can be made during the trial?
Based on the characterization in the filing, I’d think the defense would want it included for a number of reasons.
It is reminding of the Duke LaCross case. 5 or 7 male DNA vaginal samples, none matching the accused. She walks away unscathed after stealing a car and the DA gets disbarred.
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If (and admittedly it's a big if) it can be proven that the prosecutor and plaintiff both knew TSJ was not part of this and proceeded to move forward anyway, you can make a civil defamation case.
Like has been clearly public for a while, this DA is a walking misconduct case. I would not put this past her in any way, shape, or form.
Use to be a saying....can't get blood from a turnip....that probably applies here... and the fact that it would only prolong the incident for TSJ and his family with likelihood very little to be gained....but I agree the court system needs to pursue the alleged victim if proof can be made she lied under oath
I am a Forensic DNA analyst for a living. I really wish I could see all 6 pages of that report. That little blip that Ked is showing is specifically talking about YSTR analysis. We are talking about crazy small amounts of male DNA here. Likely nanograms per microliter. YSTR only present in those that have a Y-Chromosme and inherited the same all up and down a males line. My Dad, me and my son all have the same YSTR profile barring some crazy mutation. That meaning they are not unique to inviduals like the other DNA analysis we can do.
Great to see TSJ excluded. I'm sure there were quite a few other samples taken from her.
It is not uncommon to get multiple male mixtures from these YSTR profiles. The test is so sensitive.
Great to see TSJ excluded. I'm sure there were quite a few other samples taken from her.
It is not uncommon to get multiple male mixtures from these YSTR profiles. The test is so sensitive.
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There is nothing in this case that even remotely would point towards TSJ.
No witnesses, No private time with accuser, no DNA, No video. In fact. all witnesses, DNA, video support TSJ.
No witnesses, No private time with accuser, no DNA, No video. In fact. all witnesses, DNA, video support TSJ.
You can find the complete motion and the six page report here:
I will try to summarize what it says (copy and paste does not work for me on this one), but I make no guarantee I've focused on the right things.
The KBI uses Quantifiler Trio for DNA tests. The company says 0.005 ng/uL is the lower limit of the "reported dynamic (readable) range" for this system. Samples were taken from six locations. Areas 1 and 2 produced results of 0.0000 ng/uL. Area 3 was 0.0023 ng/uL, or 54% below the 0.005 limit. Area 4 was 0.0013 ng/uL, or 74% below the 0.005 limit. There was no Area 5. Area 6 was 0.0004 ng/uL, or 92% below the 0.005 limit. Area 7 was 0.0002 ng/uL, or 96% below the 0.005 limit.
I would really like to read your thoughts on this one after you read the KBI report. I don't think Terrence's motion really matters. The report is everything, and I think the report admits that the tests prove something very close to nothing.
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