Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year

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illini510
the juiceman cometh said:
NIL started in 2021. 2021-2022 was a pretty good year (we won the conference), especially considering we had just lost Ayo. Big part of that was BU successfully using NIL to bring Kofi back.
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Kofi came back b/c of the feedback he got in the NBA combine. He wasn't going to be drafted and had to continue to refine certain skillsets that NBA scouts were looking for from the big man position. It wasn't enough to get him drafted when he finally declared either. He didn't come back for the money. His goal was to make it to the pros and he chose not to stay his senior year even though he could've gotten a big bag of money from anyone around the country
 
#302      
gibb52
The only PT decision that matters is BU and Ty. If Ty wasn't satisfied with what he saw ahead of him this yr then the decision is his and his alone to make. How it turns out will also be on him. He is a gritty competitor that will give you every thing he has. He has significant limitations in his game and if he was 6-10/270 it might not mean much but he's not. A perimeter player that simply cannot shoot a basketball is going to struggle to get PT at any P5 program that has any level of Dance goals. Best of luck to him in the future, but I hope this puts an end to handing out rides to these type of players IMO.
 
#303      
band camp
illini510 said:
Thank you for being the voice of reason. This has been my point since last night. Tre White has not proven to impact winning or be a winner at the college level. I don't know the kid so I can't speak about his practice habits or if he works harder than Ty Rodgers but the proof is in the pudding as far as what player has impacted winning and what player has not impacted winning on two teams now.

Tre White is not an overall better player than Ty Rodgers. I'm glad there are some sensible fans who see that Ty has basically been railroaded by a player who has not impacted winning. That's why I continue to bring up a lack of loyalty that BU has shown to a program guy, a leader, and one of the keepers of the program as Brad has mentioned multiple times.
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Yeah but did you play college baseball?
 
#304      
BretMyBeachHouse
BigMuddyMonster said:
i was attacked for dare suggesting that Ty would not be starting this year in a thread following the UCONN loss. I hate to see Ty go, because like I said I love his defense and toughness. Dude can’t shoot though.

I’d say I, along with a few others, were correct on this one .Receipts available if needed.
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Well, the receipts are easily found.

Yes you said.
You got quite a bit of support.
A couple (maybe three) people praised Ty and felt you were exaggerating how much of a liability he was.
No one "attacked" you.

Sorry, the glory of your martyrdom just doesn't really hold up under minimal inspection.
 
#305      
skyIdub
illini510 said:
Thank you for being the voice of reason. This has been my point since last night. Tre White has not proven to impact winning or be a winner at the college level. I don't know the kid so I can't speak about his practice habits or if he works harder than Ty Rodgers but the proof is in the pudding as far as what player has impacted winning and what player has not impacted winning on two teams now.

Tre White is not an overall better player than Ty Rodgers. I'm glad there are some sensible fans who see that Ty has basically been railroaded by a player who has not impacted winning. That's why I continue to bring up a lack of loyalty that BU has shown to a program guy, a leader, and one of the keepers of the program as Brad has mentioned multiple times.
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C'mon man...you should listen(read) more instead of talk(post) more.
You and one or two other posters are "the voice of reason"? Ok.

Literally no one here likes this. Almost everyone here understands it.

This was Ty's decision. The people close to the program here have literally said it.
You aren't in practice, you have no clue what the coaches are saying, doing, or suggesting.

You are just throwing sh#t at a wall in your house trying to make it stick. It's not "Creaning".
The portal changes all of that crap, whether anyone likes it or not, and that includes players, coaches, admin's, donors, and fans.



BU is recruiting to win Championships. Period. Full stop.
He's not recruiting to fit your interpretation of "program guy" or past expectation of commitment.

You don't like it, we get it. Just come in and say that.
 
#307      
HailtotheChief
STLini25 said:
Ty is good enough to play on this team.

We are a top 30 team not a top 10 team. We got our doors blown off by a team picked in the middle of the SEC. And this team desperately needs his defense and toughness.
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I think we have more talent at Tys positions now than we did last season. Trey White is very similar to Ty but a better shooter and in the same class along with the new additions I think it makes sense for Ty. BU is now looking to bring in offensive fire power and toughness and I think he has. Ty is not a shooter, he also struggles to finish at the rim at a high level so with with longer more skilled additions at the 2 thru 4 Ty has slide down the depth chart. I know last year we were an elite 8 team but we are even deeper and more skilled now. Ty is in practice and sees the writing on the wall. I expected his minutes to decrease this season with how teams started not defending towards the end of last year. He has to be able to shoot to some degree or play less. He is going to work on it but I have my doubts he will ever have an effective jump shot.
 
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thefalcon5
Battle89 said:
Creaning as a concept is dead in an era where both sides are being paid to produce the best basketball, and transferring is universally easy.

Creaning existed where the coach / school had the vast majority of power, while the student athlete had restricted mobility and penalties for leaving.

Today the players have equal (or more, in this contract-less and CBA-less world) power to move and do so with regularity. Ty lost his job to a better 'employee', simple as that. He gets an NIL golden parachute and most likely goes elsewhere next year.

It stings, and I don't love the parachute either (this concept of getting paid to not work), but here we are. He was not Creaned.
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Can we start calling the surprise before the first game redshirt an Underwooding?
 
#309      
EyeoftheIllini
illini510 said:
Many freshman are not ready for the physical aspect that comes with playing more experienced and veteran squads. Go re-watch the Ole Miss exhibition game if you need a realistic view of how far this young squad is from getting on that level. Don't allow a game against an inferior opponent to lose sight on the reality that this is a young team who will go through a lot of growing pains...a lot of growing pains
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You’ve just changed the whole subject. What does that have to do with what is a bad look to recruits?

If you look at two of my posts just this morning, you’ll see I haven’t let the EIU game make me lose sight of anything. I said I’m not getting too excited about individual performances like Riley’s. I also said I think this team will be fun and frustrating, and lose some games the fans think we shouldn’t going into them. But, again, that has nothing to do with BU not wanting to play Ty 20-25 minutes just because he was here last year versus the 10-12 minutes Brad feels fit for this team. Brad didn’t tell Ty to leave. He just told him the role he saw Ty having with this squad. That didn’t fit with what Ty wanted, so he is redshirting. I don’t harbor negative feelings for Ty because of his decision. I’d be happy to still have him because we know there will be times we could use his skills. But Ty shouldn’t get more minutes than are warranted on this squad just to keep him happy if that lessens the overall efficiency of the team and wins. Brad obviously feels it does just that.
 
#310      
Illini4Christ
illiniswish09 said:
1. Brad ain’t a dbag like that and will help Ty as much as possible throughout the process

2. Ty will be a phenomenal practice player
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Yeah, you’re right but I have a bad taste with Harris and Amani doing what they did on their transfer.

I do feel that this scenario of having lame duck players in practice will take coaching and more importantly NIL money away from our loyal players. Coach will help Ty out, as he should, I agree.
 
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Illiniguy13
illini510 said:
Whose responsibility is it to help him improve in those specific skills that he needs assistance with? I am pretty sure he is putting the work in. Maybe our coaching staff isn't doing enough for him b/c they're more focused on the NBA talent? It would be nice if our fanbase didn't automatically turn their back on of our loyal guys and actually look at both sides of this situation?
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Now this is quite a take 🤣

What else do you have for us today?
 
#312      
Poe's Law
Assuming since he isn’t in the portal other schools can’t contact him (wink), but does anybody want to start a rumor I can run with on potential landing spots?
 
#313      
skyIdub
illini510 said:
Whose responsibility is it to help him improve in those specific skills that he needs assistance with? I am pretty sure he is putting the work in. Maybe our coaching staff isn't doing enough for him b/c they're more focused on the NBA talent? It would be nice if our fanbase didn't automatically turn their back on of our loyal guys and actually look at both sides of this situation
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Omfg. Dude.

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#314      
BashCtIllini
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I have a feeling that Will Riley will replace Tre White in the starting line-up at some point in mid-season, although, I think TW will still get significant minutes.
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there's nothing wrong with having some firepower on the bench. Jason Richardson and Marvin Williams come to mind as guys who were star players but came off the bench (if my memory is correct). Legs are a little tired when they come in fresh. Doesn't really matter who starts, more important who ends the game.
 
#317      
forbesfrosh
illini510 said:
Ty can find better than 10-12 mins per game. Low key annoyed at Underwood for doing this to him. No loyalty at all and over recruiting a program guy. Not a bench player...a program player
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What is it with this emphasis on loyalty? PT is earned via performance, nothing else. Rodgers is not a program player. He's a severely limited player on offense on a much deeper, bigger team that Underwood wants to show high-octane offense and fire up lotsa treys, as evidenced by the 42 they launched last night.
Rodgers could fill a bench role but apparently was unwilling to use year of eligibility for such PT.
 
#318      
OB positive
illini510 said:
Whose responsibility is it to help him improve in those specific skills that he needs assistance with? I am pretty sure he is putting the work in. Maybe our coaching staff isn't doing enough for him b/c they're more focused on the NBA talent? It would be nice if our fanbase didn't automatically turn their back on of our loyal guys and actually look at both sides of this situation
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It's not that Ty was a bad shooter because we just didn't know. It's the fact that he wouldn't shoot anything beyond 8 feet. Having an absolute liability like that on offense will kill you, it hurt us last year. Ty not taking a jump shot shows his shot is really bad or he has no confidence in it. All the other players that people are bringing up that made significant improvements as the years went on at least shot the ball. Can't tell if you can do it if you don't even try.
 
#320      
Illinirog70
Ty will be remembered fondly, talked about for years and blamed for every close loss. Coaches have to make tough decisions. His red-shirt was not done in a vacuum, anymore than the four departures since spring (coaches and players.) Underwood is retooling for the future and it looks like the philosophy is-- if you can't run and shoot threes, you're in the way...

He's not going old-school, he's going NBA/new-school...
 
#321      
NarrowJ
Let me catch up here:

BU hates Ty
Ty would beat Tre twenty-one to zero in a game of 1 on 1
Will's outing wasn't all that impressive bc he's almost 19
Our defense sucks, wait until we play a middle pack SEC team
DGL is only good against Eastern IL

What else did I miss?
 
#323      
idoc13
illini510 said:
Thank you for being the voice of reason. This has been my point since last night. Tre White has not proven to impact winning or be a winner at the college level. I don't know the kid so I can't speak about his practice habits or if he works harder than Ty Rodgers but the proof is in the pudding as far as what player has impacted winning and what player has not impacted winning on two teams now.

Tre White is not an overall better player than Ty Rodgers. I'm glad there are some sensible fans who see that Ty has basically been railroaded by a player who has not impacted winning. That's why I continue to bring up a lack of loyalty that BU has shown to a program guy, a leader, and one of the keepers of the program as Brad has mentioned multiple times.
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If Brad thinks we win more games with Tre over Ty, I trust his judgment. The offense is clearly going to flow much better with Tre. We will have more spacing. You don’t have to guard Ty when he is more than 5 feet away from the basket.

Admittedly Ty probably gives us better defense but Brad is hanging his hat on being an offensive coach. I think that style is attractive to high level recruits. (See Will Riley.)
 
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