skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
The Ole Miss exhibition wasn't just for the players and coaches......
Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year
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The Ole Miss exhibition wasn't just for the players and coaches......
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
I know this sounds bad, but I have to say what a great problem to have. This means that we are bringing in higher talent. The big boys do this consistently, so it is refreshing to see us in that company. I do feel bad for Ty, because he was expecting to be starter when "re-committing" to the team, only to be recruited over by more talent after the portal window closed. However, this is the new norm for now. I expect him to still contribute to the team, albeit, without a playing time role.
This is kind of the trade off with the new normal of NIL and relaxed transfer rules. More flexibility for players, yes, but also more ability for programs to bring in talent. I have a feeling even Ty probably still prefers this to the old way of things, in which maybe he'd continue to start, or maybe he would have been recruited over anyway, and in either event he wouldn't be getting paid and the option of transferring would be more difficult.
I can see a correlation of this to BU's decision 2 years ago to play an offensive liability(Williams) over a future 1st round draft pick and offensive plus player(Podziemski)...because he probably felt it would give him a better chance of winning. This and recruiting over him with Clark and Epps resulted in Podziemski transferring. Brad picked defense and leadership over raw talent in the first case...this time he's picking offense and shooting ability. Either direction you go you lose someone.
This is a hard era for coaches and fans with all the player movement. You really can't get too invested in players anymore as a fan. Guess you can follow one of the teams whose coaches haven't jumped into the new portal era(Izzo,Painter)...otherwise trust BU and ride the wave.
Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
Only if the redshirt comes with a Sencire desire to never cut Tys with the team in question.
skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
Cofirmed BU also hates Jason Jakstys...will likely redshirt.
Brad knows what's up
I didn’t compare this years team to UConn. I was pointing out that talent wins championships especially when there’s chemistry. It’s clear that’s the direction Brad’s wanting to take this program. And your point about Ty’s intangibles are very accurate…which is what would earn him 10-12 minutes per game. More than that over more skilled players makes him a liability, which we saw last year. You’re heavily invested in this…are you Ty’s mom?skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
Uh-huh. I think you're forgetting that Kofi was in the transfer portal "to keep his options open" before coming back that junior year. If you don't think money was part of that conversation, I don't know what world you've been living in the past 4 years.
Big Jack
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Not turning a back on Ty, Sincere or any former Illini outside of Skyy and Epps... Those 2 can rote in he!!. I loved Ty but the writing was on the wall last year for anyone to see. We had to always play 4 on 5 when he was on the court.. One only needs to go back and watch our games vs. Purdue the past 2 seasons to see what the down side to Ty was.. I was really hopeful that his ability to shoot as much as a pull up jumper from the line would keep teams honest. Yes the coaches work on technique and skills but obviously Ty just is missing the ability to shoot those shots in practice or live. Trust me Brad loves Ty.
I don't like it. That's why I've been passionately defending the perspective of Ty Rodgers. I think we all like Ty Rodgers the person and the player but sometimes we forget that it's not all about the money. Sometimes, as an "employee" at any company, it is about how you're treated and how you are managed by your supervisor/boss/manager. I think in this case, Ty probably feels slighted and probably feels that he was not treated the right way given his loyalties to coach and the program. I think this is all very valid and probably true to some extent
Ty Rodgers has better efficiency ratings on both sides of the ball than Tre White. The point was made by another poster a few pages ago. So, I'd contend that having him in a more prominent role would not lessen the efficiency of the team as a whole. If you contend otherwise, then back it up with stats to prove Tre White is a more efficient "overall" player than Ty Rodgers
Big Jack
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One final question for you then I am done trying to make sense of this to you because you just don't get it...
Tre White and Ben did not get Ty's position given to them upon arrival.. They earned and won the starting spots PERIOD END OF STORY. By performing better in all of the practive sessions they had during the summer and early fall.. That is the reason Ty's lost his job.. Ask anyone who is or was privileged to see these workouts and scrimmages and will become apparent why this happened.
I hear you and agree - but the question is if Tre isn't on the team would Ty have accepted his ~18- 20min off the bench role, vs. what he's looking at now?
Who knows, but Will is going to start any day now , so then Tre will be coming off the bench, DGL has likely earned the guard minutes spelling both KJ and KB, so Ty would be 8/9th man in the rotation. I'm sure he's looking at it as a business decision to see what shakes out next year and not burn a year playing 5-10 min a game, I don't blame him. I just worry if Ben and Tre don't pan out as expected, if we're going to be wanting Ty to be playing 25 min a game given what this team needs.
Best case scenario is Ben and Tre do pan out and Ty stays next year and has an improved game with a significant leadership role as a redshirt Junior and has a lot more impact next year for us than he would have this year.
Practice is mularkey to me. I'm pretty sure guys like Kipper Nichols also flashed in practice but in the games, it was a different story. I'm focusing on a larger sample size of in game action over a period of 2 yrs, not practice.
That Ole Miss game was a better indicator of where Hummer and Tre White stood than practicing against each other. Only time will tell if Hummer and Tre are better options. I'm not convinced at this time on November 5th.
I believe the inclusion of Will Riley was likely a turning point for Rodgers' role but you have to get a Will Riley. I believe coach just got too many guys who can play the same position that Ty can play and he appears to be the odd man out but not convinced that Tre White is a better option than Ty Rodgers. When you got too many people who want to shoot and too many chefs in the kitchen, that's when you run into trouble. We don't need 5 shooters on the floor. We need guys who know their role and play it effectively. See last year's team
After chewing on it for a day, I'm totally okay with this. Which is not to say Ty couldn't have proven valuable minutes on court this year, just that Brad has clearly concluded Offense wins Championships, and wants five shooters on the floor at all times for one simple reason; he can.
Ty can still exemplify the Illini spirit by working his !!! off making other players better in practice. If his NIL agreements allow appearances during Redshirt seasons, his sponsors can still invite him to paid events, etc.
Mike LaTulip spoke extensively about the fact that Ty's main value last year was in how his play allowed floor spacing by the other four, that opposing teams could rarely cover. But now we've got guys who can make those spacing issues but also shoot. So it's a no-brainer for Ty to take the year hoping to develop an outside shot (because we've got a great development program), and grab some NIL next year while trying to audition for the pros. Makes sense.
Best of luck to Ty, and I hope he works his !!! off in practice!
Ty can still exemplify the Illini spirit by working his !!! off making other players better in practice. If his NIL agreements allow appearances during Redshirt seasons, his sponsors can still invite him to paid events, etc.
Mike LaTulip spoke extensively about the fact that Ty's main value last year was in how his play allowed floor spacing by the other four, that opposing teams could rarely cover. But now we've got guys who can make those spacing issues but also shoot. So it's a no-brainer for Ty to take the year hoping to develop an outside shot (because we've got a great development program), and grab some NIL next year while trying to audition for the pros. Makes sense.
Best of luck to Ty, and I hope he works his !!! off in practice!
Big Jack
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Big Jack
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Close situation however DMFW could shoot so teams had to be prepared for it. With Ty they just let him go because ala Chet years back he was not going to shoot
Damonte really only started shooting threes his last year if I remember correctly. Defenders gave him plenty of space because he was so hesitant to shoot but he stepped up and shot a very high percentage his last year.
I would think if Ty was also able to do this, he would likely be starting this year.
I would think if Ty was also able to do this, he would likely be starting this year.
Ty did nothing on the floor of the Ole Miss game that showed he should've been out there over Tre or Ben either one. However DGL showed he should get more tick and should get heavy minutes in the rotation.
Bigtex
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That is an apples to oranges comparison For Ty it is not just a TY vs Tre for playing time. Throw in some Riley, Booth and maybe some Humrichous = very few Ty minutes in 2024/2025
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