UI prof arrested for SFC incident

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If roles were reversed, this would probably go down as a hate crime committed against the pro Indian professor.

At the least the whacko professor should not be allowed in athletic venues again. That probably won’t happen. Personally, I feel that he should be fired.
 
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The UIUC code of conduct states, among other things:

With regard to professional conduct, those acting on behalf of the University should practice:

1. Integrity by maintaining an ongoing dedication to honesty and responsibility;
2. Trustworthiness by acting in a reliable and dependable manner;
3. Evenhandedness by treating others with impartiality;
4. Respect by treating others with civility and decency;
5. Stewardship by exercising custodial responsibility for University property and resources;
6. Compliance by following State and Federal laws and regulations and University policies related to their duties and responsibilities;
7. Confidentiality by protecting the integrity and security of university information such as student records, employee files, patient records, and contract negotiation documents.

Illinois law states:

(a) It is unlawful for any person to knowingly make a video record or transmit live video of another person without that person's consent in a restroom, tanning bed, tanning salon, locker room, changing room, or hotel room.

It seems fairly clear that despite his interest in making sure no one helped a student put on a costume he violated the university code of conduct AND he broke the law. Will be interesting to see how the university reacts. In today's culture of swift retribution for any type of sexual misconduct, there are not a lot of roads to take. Other "award winning film makers" have been shown the door.
 
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The craziest part of this whole thing, is even if he catches some dude changing into a chief outfit in the bathroom, he's gonna out himself on the fact that he was filming in the bathroom once he publishes it, or goes to tell someone what was going on. He literally can not win, even if he finds what he is looking for. It amazes me how dumb people can be, even though it probably shouldn't anymore.
 
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Illiini

In the land of the Nittany Lion
The actions of State's Attorney Reitz are interesting because they're less that honorable as well.

What was her reason for not charging Rosenstein with the crime for which he was arrested? She said the criminal-justice system "is not the place to gain an advantage for one side or the other on a public debate." In other words, I'm not denying that Rosenstein may have committed a crime, but prosecuting him would hurt the anti-Chief movement, and that wouldn't be fair (i.e., we'd lose our most talented critic). So he's free to go.

Particularly damning for Reitz, however, is the fact that she, like Rosenstien, is a non-tenure track faculty member, most likely both members of the Campus Faculty Association, the union for adjunct professors, which released a scathing attack on Native American imagery on campus as a defense of what they say Rosenstein didn't do.

Reitz failed to meet standards of her office and as a faculty member. She should be relieved of both positions.
 
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The actions of State's Attorney Reitz are interesting because they're less that honorable as well.

What was her reason for not charging Rosenstein with the crime for which he was arrested? She said the criminal-justice system "is not the place to gain an advantage for one side or the other on a public debate." In other words, I'm not denying that Rosenstein may have committed a crime, but prosecuting him would hurt the anti-Chief movement, and that wouldn't be fair (i.e., we'd lose our most talented critic). So he's free to go.

Particularly damning for Reitz, however, is the fact that she, like Rosenstien, is a non-tenure track faculty member, most likely both members of the Campus Faculty Association, the union for adjunct professors, which released a scathing attack on Native American imagery on campus as a defense of what they say Rosenstein didn't do.

Reitz failed to meet standards of her office and as a faculty member. She should be relieved of both positions.

Seems like this is a good cause for a letter writing campaign to someone in power at the UI.
Who should all concerned members of IL write to, as I think that anyone of any political view should be opposed to videoing people in the men's room.
 
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Totally agree, Illiini. Here’s today’s article on the front page of the Chicago Tribune: Chief Illiniwek controversy flares again after an arrest
http://digitaledition.chicagotribun...spx?guid=f251c843-108e-4961-9547-113ff67c1f1b

That article brings up an issue that I don't think is getting enough coverage.

All three incidents mentioned in the Trib article concern U of I faculty (state employees) harassing, impeding, and otherwise attempting to shut down 1st Amendment activities - expression, free speech and assembly - of private citizens. If those state employees were doing so "under cover of state statute" (42 USC ss 1983), that opens them and the University up to civil lawsuits.

Whether the anti-chief faculty are operating under cover of state authority is a really murky question. Take Rosenstein. He's presumably acting as a private citizen as he makes his documentary. But if the U of I uses his status as filmmaker to promote the school or uses his "published" films to evaluate Rosenstein for compensation, retention, raises, tenure, etc., that opens up a huge can of worms.

I think the most problematic incident in this regard came last fall with the story about the "War Chant" being retired.

On August 24, 2017, "Athletic department representatives asked members of the student group Illini Pride to stop playing the song on a drum at a soccer game." http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/25/war-chant-will-no-longer-be-played-at-university-of-illinois-sporting-events/

So that's a government employee telling a group of students they can't bang on drums and sing a song - fairly clearly covered under the 1st Amendment's freedom of expression. In an interview the very next day, Kent Brown, Illinois' SID said, "[DIA O]fficials can’t stop fans from doing the war chant on their own because it is a free speech issue."

U of I might have some sort of legal leeway there because Illini Pride is an officially recognized student group, but I'm not sure the rationale. You don't give up your First Amendment rights just because you join a student group. Maybe those students sign some sort of contractual agreement requiring them to behave a certain way at games to participate in the student group, but even then I don't think it's all that cut and dry.

My overall point is the U of I has to do a pretty major balancing act to make sure it's not exposing itself to civil liability for denying Chief supporters' civil rights when U of I employees are acting - on University property and at University events - to prevent the Chief supporters from engaging in those very rights. It seems to me like a major lawsuit is almost inevitable. It's an issue I'm sure the University administration would love to just go away. Unfortunately, they've been catastrophically inept at making it go away.
 
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Illiini

In the land of the Nittany Lion
My info, as I may have mentioned here before, good things are happening behind the scenes, and the anti-Chief people are going bonkers because they know that although Chief Illiniwek is not going to return as we have known him, Native American imagery will be back and they can’t stand that. Even with support from Native Americans, they will have lost. Patience.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
My info, as I may have mentioned here before, good things are happening behind the scenes, and the anti-Chief people are going bonkers because they know that although Chief Illiniwek is not going to return as we have known him, Native American imagery will be back and they can’t stand that. Even with support from Native Americans, they will have lost. Patience.

In an official, university approved form? I have a very hard time believing that.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
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KBLEE

Montgomery, IL
Just when I think it's impossible for the Chief stuff to get dumber, it finds a way.

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Shane Walsh

aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
I will just leave this here. [slowly backs away]

"As reported by the Chicago Tribune, a Facebook movement is urging fans to “wear Chief gear with pride” that night, daring the evil media to display them all in their costumes on live TV.

That’s sure to show those durn upstate know-it-all elitists who’s boss, allowing the oppressed to re-assert their true “heritage” of … a character stolen from the Lakota Sioux and portrayed by a frat boy doing a dance he made up."

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/30/bernstein-university-of-illinois-chief-saga-gets-even-dumber/
 
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Shane Walsh

aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
And it just keeps getting dumber. From our local downstate goober....
http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion...lls-silence-grow-so-do-supporters-chants.html

According to Dey, it is all ok. The Chief really is not oppressive at all. How does he know?

"(Speaking of Jones, this is a black man who grew up in the heyday of Jim Crow in Georgia. How can he stand listening to faculty and student whiners complain about how "oppressive" Chief Illiniwek and virtually everything else on campus is? He knows they don't know the meaning of the word.)"

This made me a little angry. Let's all keep in mind that this is the same Jim Dey who penned the Dennis Toeppen apology piece.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/lo...xpress-owner-i-want-every-passenger-i-can-get.

I would love for Jim to do an on air with Bernstein on 670. I think that would be great entertainment.
 
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redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
Not a huge fan of this NYT article. It doesn't really seem to contradict the idea that the only way to "move on" is for the university to act by getting a new mascot. How about these activists respect our first amendment right to honor our past?

https://t.co/4dgpr56H58
 
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Shane Walsh

aka "Captain Oblivious"
Cynthiana, Kentucky
How about these activists respect our first amendment right to honor our past?

Ah yes, the old "it is our tradition" argument.

Tate Walker put it best way back in 2015 when she responded...

"Whose tradition?

The traditions of my Lakota people go back to time immemorial, passed down generation to generation for survival and progress. Your mascot is 100 years old.

Things change. And retiring racist mascots would be a change for the better.

Let’s look at the time in history these Indian mascots were launched. For many, we’re talking the early 1900s, a time following the end of the Indian wars, particularly those nations of the Great Plains, the last holdouts of the United States’ efforts to colonize the Wild West.

This was a time when many considered Native Americans “the vanishing race.” Being Indian was en vogue, tribal artifacts swept up at auction, nostalgic photographs taken of Indians before they died out, and items were created and marketed with Indian images and characters.

We were memorialized and mythologized, even as we struggled to survive under the new conditions of reservation life.

So it makes sense that the images chosen for school and sports mascots during this time depicted noble, stoic savages of the past. The real “tradition” mascots honor and uphold is the idea of a passive, silent, defeated, and nonexistent Indian.

This makes it difficult for people to validate us today.

Being loud at protests, on news shows, and on social media — demanding change — subverts the systems of oppression and changes the dynamic of that noble, stoic Indian America has grown accustomed to.

I propose this is the tradition we should be honoring – that of a Native American who is active and vocal in ways that will promote progress."

Her well researched and thought out article can be found here...

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/argue-against-racist-mascots/

I encourage you to read it, and am hopeful that you consider it.
 
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The real “tradition” mascots honor and uphold is the idea of a passive, silent, defeated, and nonexistent Indian.

Regardless of how one feels about the Chief, this statement is absurd. Of course, this kind of nonsense is mild by the standards of Everyday Feminism.