USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024
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IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
But if you're using their initials in the acronym, aren't you copping to knowing them?
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
yep.................blame it on my meds............................But if you're using their initials in the acronym, aren't you copping to knowing them?
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
IDKWNDI and IDKWTI are both from Indiana.
Purely from a financial point, it's been that way probably since about 2009 or so. The gap is certainly widening, and ND won't stay independent for free, which is why the article out yesterday gave an indication as to what ND wants, to stay independent.
dgcrow
- Kelso, WA
Arrogance and its sense of superiority is so pervasive at Notre Dame, the school may stay indepedent no matter the cost.
I sure hope so... Irrelevance is the ONLY conference where ND belongs...
Let's see if that works for another acronym....I O W A....no, nevermind.IDKWNDI and IDKWTI are both from Indiana.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Another side note, but it’s amazing how skewed these stats are by what channel/game time opportunity you get. Sure, our ratings on FS1 aren’t amazing, but that’s actually kind of the case across the board. And that brings our number down. When Illinois plays at a good time on a big network, there is never a ratings drop off.Also found this one which claims ND had 2.84M viewers per game for 12 games, which is 34 million. NBC didn’t even get half of ND viewers.
Which college football programs were the most-watched in 2021?
See which teams brought in the most TV viewers during the 2021 regular season.medium.com
For reference, all 14 BIG teams collectively had 366 million total viewers while averaging 26M per team, or 2.2M per game. The top 10 BIG teams averaged 32.6 million which compares to NDs 34M.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
sorry Ran , I blame everything on my " med's "...........................I really really do.........................."meds"
IlliniwekKDR
- Colorado Springs, CO
Paid article.
But I feel like that's the best option for the PAC 12/10 right now. Raid the Mountain West. SD St, Boise St, Utah St, Nevada, UNLV...there are options available that could be enticing
Sorry, late comment here. This also comes from Columbus Ohio. Not that many years ago, tOSU was bragging about the sold out streak. A recent program on sports radio here said those days are gone. With dynamic pricing, length of games, every game given a better seat in your family room, they can likely expect sellouts for ND, UM, maybe PSU and MSU, but everything else, walk up game day and buy a ticket.
This isn't a pure indication of waning interest, per se, but it suggests the hold sports has over the fan may certainly be more tenuous now.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
SDSU is very appealing as a big school in Southern California that has a long history of success in both sports, good facilities including a brand new football stadium, and exists in a giant market that just lost its NFL team. San Diego is pretty dramatically underserved by professional sports.
But it's nonetheless another mouth to feed that's going to reduce the per-school TV money distribution most likely. It's a tough spot, it's hard to grow in such a weakened state with some of your strongest teams gone, but adding potential growth assets starves you of some of the up-front money you need to have that growth.
My other Pac 12 expansion question is, wouldn't BYU rather be in the Pac 12 than the Big 12? Isn't Utah-BYU being a conference game good for all parties? BYU isn't locked into any grant of rights because those TV deals don't exist yet.
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
I have this fundamental threshold which sports movies must surpass, before I'll watch and comment. That threshold is that the actors in the movie must actually know how to play the game in which they're participating. Costner made the grade in Bull Durham, the Hoosiers high school basketball players were legit and Robbie Benson actually knew how to play basketball back in 1977.
By exclusion, are you suggesting that Freddie Prinze, Jr. and Charlie Sheen don't throw lasers or that (even more so) Tom Berenger is not a power hitter?
The White Shadow was my favorite show as a kid. Ken Howard played college ball.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
yea, back when coaches either wore shorts with over the calf socks with three stripes or loose fitting track pants, a grey sweatshirt that had " property of athletic dept" stenciled on the front and had whistle around their neck
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Serious Late
- Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
I would be seriously be looking at the Big 12 to see if there are any loose bricks. See if poaching BYU might loosen their hold on Oklahoma State and Kansas. If that is possible, it might then serve them well to add a large market team like SDSU to build up to 14 and negotiate a deal that allows them to remain the premier western based conference should Oregon and Washington bolt (excluding the Big Ten which would have a serious investment out west). Thinking that through though, wouldnt they rather look to a school like Baylor to get to 14?
They have to be thinking about ensuring their status above the Big 12 and I just don't see BYU, SDSU or any other Mountain West school doing that. If they don't move to highlight their position above the Big 12 and Oregon and Washington receive a life raft from the Big Ten, the tables would be completely flipped and the 4 corners schools would likely be seriously considering the move to the Big 12.
Regardless, right now the PAC-12 is in a position battle with the Big 12 and it is an eat or get eaten world (regardless of how sad this might make us). I just don't see how the addition of any schools outside the Big 12 keeps current schools from eyeing other conferences. BYU on its own doesn't feel like it would thrill existing members, but if they were the impetus for obtaining a block of Big 12 schools, that feels like it would secure the conference's position longer term.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom demands explanation for UCLA’s move to Big Ten
UCLA's athletic department is set to benefit massively from the Big Ten's new media rights deal, which could fetch more than $1 billion.
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I’ll take a crack at it: $$$
We’re Not doing this for the $$ money
We’re doing it for a Sh*tload of money $$
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I've been thinking about the dire forecasting of sports economics by @ChiefGritty a lot and the more I think about it, the less I agree. The way things are going in entertainment media, content is king, and while quality of content is up, there's a quantity problem. Netflix is losing subscribers because their stream of new content is weak. Disney+ is doing well because they churn out tons of new, desirable content. Content is also expensive. There's a reason we've seen the rise of the TV show - you can churn out a lot more content hours/$ in a 10 hour season vs a 2 hour movie.
Sports remain the pinnacle of cheap desirable content. Cheap you say? With the Big Ten media deal expected to reach $1 billion a year? Yes.
Example:
Thor: Love and Thunder had a budget of $250 million and a runtime of almost exactly 2 hours. That's $125 million per hour of content.
When the B1G goes to 16 teams, there will be 72 regular season in-conference regular season B1G football games a season. If you say each game runs 3 hours, that's 216 hours of content. There will also be 160 in-conference regular season basketball games a season. If you say run time of 2 hours on those, that's another 320 hours, for a total of 536 hours of content, and I haven't even included non-conference games the football conference championship, the basketball conference tourney or the possibility that the conference schedule gets expanded in either sport. It also doesn't include non-revenue sports which provide further niche content. Even without all those "extras," at a $1 billion price tag that's less than $2 million per hour of content. Add in all those other games and some documentary style content and recap/highlight shows and you can easily generate a few hundred more hours of cheap content (Yes, I know additional costs go into production but with sports the rights are the bulk of the cost).
Now, is a big movie in a huge franchise like Marvel higher value content than B1G games? Absolutely. But sports deals like this are like buying content in Costco sizes at Costco prices and provide tons of value in that sense.
The cable vs streaming debate loses the fact that this content is valuable even if cable dies. If the economics don't work for B1G or Fox or ESPN to introduce their own streaming platform for sports, that content can provide value as the basis of a partnership with Hulu or Netflix or a channel within the Disney+ platform.
Sports remain the pinnacle of cheap desirable content. Cheap you say? With the Big Ten media deal expected to reach $1 billion a year? Yes.
Example:
Thor: Love and Thunder had a budget of $250 million and a runtime of almost exactly 2 hours. That's $125 million per hour of content.
When the B1G goes to 16 teams, there will be 72 regular season in-conference regular season B1G football games a season. If you say each game runs 3 hours, that's 216 hours of content. There will also be 160 in-conference regular season basketball games a season. If you say run time of 2 hours on those, that's another 320 hours, for a total of 536 hours of content, and I haven't even included non-conference games the football conference championship, the basketball conference tourney or the possibility that the conference schedule gets expanded in either sport. It also doesn't include non-revenue sports which provide further niche content. Even without all those "extras," at a $1 billion price tag that's less than $2 million per hour of content. Add in all those other games and some documentary style content and recap/highlight shows and you can easily generate a few hundred more hours of cheap content (Yes, I know additional costs go into production but with sports the rights are the bulk of the cost).
Now, is a big movie in a huge franchise like Marvel higher value content than B1G games? Absolutely. But sports deals like this are like buying content in Costco sizes at Costco prices and provide tons of value in that sense.
The cable vs streaming debate loses the fact that this content is valuable even if cable dies. If the economics don't work for B1G or Fox or ESPN to introduce their own streaming platform for sports, that content can provide value as the basis of a partnership with Hulu or Netflix or a channel within the Disney+ platform.
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