Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Realignment isn’t entirely about football, and Illinois is plenty valuable to the Big Ten.
USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024
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mattcoldagelli
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Is Oklahoma State sitting on some secret SEC invite we don't know about?
Joel Goodson
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Ok, gonna modify which schools are takes. Turns out ND does not have an exit fee for football (GoR for all other sports). Am now thinking Plan A is Washington, Oregon, Stanford and ND. That's a lot of ND opponents, a flipping boatload of sustainable dough and the BIG would probably pay ND's exit fee. Is that enough to make Swarbick move? Dunno, but maybe? I'm pretty sure the BIG would give scheduling concessions and maybe have USC as their protected rival.
ND says no: thinking Stanford and Cal, but Cal isn't quite a slam dunk.
ND says no: thinking Stanford and Cal, but Cal isn't quite a slam dunk.
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& a viable path to a national title. The ACC was desperate & gave ND a deal that B1G or SEC wouldn't to stop their own bleeding...this likely makes it harder to schedule for ND. If the ACC starts coming apart, ND is likely out of options. In the last year, we have now seen Texas, Oklahoma, USC, & UCLA move, they are all pretty big fish as well. For UCLA/USC it is about $ to keep up with the B1G/SEC. Outside of ND the rest of the ACC has the same problem. maybe the ACC survives but Iong term they have the same money problem that made USC/UCLA leave the PAC12 with much less logistic issues. I think when GOR is up for the ACC it is going to get wild.
If you think any current Pac-12 or Big 12 schools are going to weigh the pros and cons of accepting an invite to one of the two newly-formed superconferences, out of loyalty to a lesser-endowed in-state rival or for any other reason, you’re completely missing the point of what transpired today. UCLA and USC just brokered a deal to abandon (and likely doom) the conference affiliation they’ve belonged to (under different names) since 1916. This is a land grab. There are no friends here.
Talking about on field football production, though I think my perspective on that could also be wrong.
mattcoldagelli
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Yeah, this is it. The first three absolutely say yes, too.
Then it's kickin or stickin time for the Domers with your finger hovering over "send text" to North Carolina.
illini92024
- Orange County, CA
Texas A&M went to SEC w/o Texas. Oklahoma has moved w Texas, but Ok-st stayed behind. Where are these rules written?
They're not but Oklahoma State hasn't necessarily been on the same level, relatively speaking, as OU over the years.
fyi...conference payouts in 2021
Here are the per-school payouts for full-shared members (i.e., the Big Ten is still shorting Maryland and Rutgers' checks, nearly a decade after they joined):
1. Big Ten: $54.3 million
2. SEC: $45.5 million
3. Big 12: ~$38 million
4. Pac-12: $33.6 million
5. ACC: ~$33 million
& of note Big ten is first to the table, so if Delaney's gamble works & payout's keep going up, the B1G gap will grow a bit more...but USC/UCLA have 20 million reasons to leave
Here are the per-school payouts for full-shared members (i.e., the Big Ten is still shorting Maryland and Rutgers' checks, nearly a decade after they joined):
1. Big Ten: $54.3 million
2. SEC: $45.5 million
3. Big 12: ~$38 million
4. Pac-12: $33.6 million
5. ACC: ~$33 million
& of note Big ten is first to the table, so if Delaney's gamble works & payout's keep going up, the B1G gap will grow a bit more...but USC/UCLA have 20 million reasons to leave
That’s just recency bias based on how our program has performed over the past ten years and also non-recency bias based on how our program has performed over the past twenty and thirty years.
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Texas has always had a higher opinion of themselves than they deserve. Heck, they thought they were above continuing the football rivalry because they thought the Aggies were beneath them.
mattcoldagelli
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You mean just like Washington St. and Oregon St.?
illini92024
- Orange County, CA
Stanford is a private institution, therefore no reason to go w CAL Berkeley. CAL Berkeley and UCLA are both UC system state schools, but there is no agreement that they move together.
Highly doubt that the mergers themselves are much concerned about academics... having said that, bringing in research money to the B1G consortium might have a (small) part in the conversation... And Stanford would of course be high on a list... ND not so much...
Those two schools have had varying levels of success recently.
Honestly, the biggest school that has a worry with any of this conference realignment stuff is probably Iowa State.
I call for three 10-team divisions in the Big10 Conference
Eastern Division
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn St
North Carolina
Virginia
Duke
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
Syracuse
Central Division
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan St
The Ohio State
Perdue
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Iowa
Western Division
Minnesota
Nebraska
Colorado
UCLA
USC
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
Cal
Arizona
Eastern Division
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn St
North Carolina
Virginia
Duke
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
Syracuse
Central Division
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan St
The Ohio State
Perdue
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Iowa
Western Division
Minnesota
Nebraska
Colorado
UCLA
USC
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
Cal
Arizona
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redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
Oklahoma State has been MILES ahead of Wazzu and Oregon State for a while. It isn’t even close.
Honestly those states would be fools to not let Oregon and Washington lock in a spot in the Big Ten. They would be doing a huge disservice to the well-being of the state flagship school. If they are left out of the two mega conferences, that hurts everyone in that state.
Sports radio in Seattle was discussing whether or not UW would or should leave the Cougs. Consensus was if they have to they should.
The BIG took one state school without the other six hours ago.
It just blows my mind that the BIG added an all-time Top 5 football power and an all-time Top 5 basketball power, from the second largest media market … and all parties involved kept it out of the media until 8 hours before it happened. The BIG got significantly better today.
Why would the Big10 want either AZ school? Neither is up to Big10 academic standards. Phoenix as a city watches pro sports. AZ has good basketball teams (which evidence indicates they payed for). Tuscon is nuts for AZ basketball. Tuscon is not Phoenix.
Oregon isn't up to the Big10 academic standards either. They also were under scrutiny for paying players pre-NIL. Even with these two strikes, it would not surprise me if they got a Nebraska exception despite our seeing how well that one worked out. I wonder how much we would have to pay Nebraska to move back to the Big12. The improvements in brand and profits might be worth it.
One news report (Norlander?) said that June 30th was the last day that a team could leave the Pac12 without financial penalties. That makes this announcement timing very interesting if the Big10 really was after additional Pac12 schools. I would have expected the first few last week, so that the others could announce by today.
Every time I hear or read "Berkeley", I imagine a campus and student population that looks and sounds like it's still 1969.
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